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[Type 4] 4 is the loneliest number..

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When I was a child I had a morbid and moral obsession with the Holocaust, sociopathy and torture, and as I grew older I became evermore affected by what appears/appeared to be the massive suffering inherent to life, both human and animal alike.

It's quite possible your Jewish background had something to do with that. It's quite similar when Irish people reflect upon the Potato Famine, or Blacks upon slavery, or Ukrainians on their famine. It helps establish a more personal connection with the more universal concern for human suffering, as you stated.
 

Wild horses

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I have tested 4 on a number of occasions, however, I have also tested 7 which I know seems poles apart... anyone else tested this way also. I identify with alot of what has been posted, especially the morbid obsession with suffering... It's like a strange dichtomoy as you wish to prevent it and wollow in it all at the same time
 

Bubbles

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I have tested 4 on a number of occasions, however, I have also tested 7 which I know seems poles apart... anyone else tested this way also.
I'm a 4 who's oh-so-borderline 9. I usually get 4, but my 9 is intensely strong as well, so...

I wouldn't say I like suffering, but I am fascinated by it...in that, "hey, if I can understand it, I can prevent it" kind of way. I can sort of see the envy thing, too, because there's always that vibe when you see people you admire and think, "Ooh, I wish I looked/acted/thought like that." And I'll admit, it can happen pretty darn often. But I like to think it's just us being in-tune with the goodness in the people around us, to make up for always being reminded of the melancholy of life. They balance each other out, y'know?
 

mortabunt

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As a four, I have to say that everyone hates me, and for me life is like a porno; no matter what happens, I get screwed by varying degrees from a quickie to a full on orgy.
 

Synarch

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I have watched documentaries about it, read books about it and visited the Holocaust museum twice. I don't know why I so interested in it. The whole concept boggles my mind.

Suffering is transcendent. It bestows meaning to life.

Maybe the Holocaust is interesting because it forces us to peel back the skin of this world to reveal the pain and suffering that is woven into the very fabric of existence. To live we try to ignore it because there is no resolution against the horror. Only accommodation and eventually transcendence.

As we go about our little lives, Chaos and pain hides around every corner, tinging the beautiful whole with blood and darkness.
 

aguanile

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Suffering is transcendent. It bestows meaning to life.

Maybe the Holocaust is interesting because it forces us to peel back the skin of this world to reveal the pain and suffering that is woven into the very fabric of existence. To live we try to ignore it because there is no resolution against the horror. Only accommodation and eventually transcendence.

As we go about our little lives, Chaos and pain hides around every corner, tinging the beautiful whole with blood and darkness.

Synarch, that was beautiful.
 

SillySapienne

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As a four, I have to say that everyone hates me, and for me life is like a porno; no matter what happens, I get screwed by varying degrees from a quickie to a full on orgy.
Life as rape.

Interesting.

Fucked, really.
 

Saslou

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Hello, my name is CaptainChick and I am an enneagram 4.

:bye:

If you give me something good, I will fuck it up.

If you give me something fucked up, I will fix it.

I only feel centered when in the eye of the storm.

There is a home in my heart amongst the chaos.

I am alone, always alone, I am alone in this cyclical cyclone.

If you are a four, please share your eccentricities, please make me feel less like a freak, and more like a four.

For once I want to be on the inside.

I want to connect.

I want to be seen seeing things.

Hello fellow fours, how are you this evening?

:)

Holy shit .. i am loving this site more and more .. i ain't the only screwed up individual on this planet .. Guess what i'm a 4 .. and all the words above, well i couldn't of articulated it that well .. but darling you might as well of been reading my mind when you wrote that .. :hi:
 

Poki

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Hello, my name is CaptainChick and I am an enneagram 4.

:bye:

If you give me something good, I will fuck it up.

If you give me something fucked up, I will fix it.

I only feel centered when in the eye of the storm.

There is a home in my heart amongst the chaos.

I am alone, always alone, I am alone in this cyclical cyclone.

If you are a four, please share your eccentricities, please make me feel less like a freak, and more like a four.

For once I want to be on the inside.

I want to connect.

I want to be seen seeing things.

Hello fellow fours, how are you this evening?

:)

I feel for you, since we only know what we percieve I can see you have yet to find love that has not hurt you nor been with someone who values experience whether it succeeds or fails. I know several 4s and my heart goes out for them. These are the people I will let beat me in a game of wit and they will never know for their happyness and the smile on thier face is all that matters. I will put their thoughts into action for the enjoyment of being with them whether I think they are right or wrong. These are the most confident people, yet when they open up you can see them bleeding. These are the people who just want someone to love them for who they are, to be able to give their heart without fear of having it stepped on.

[YOUTUBE="uC-DKjkxbv0"]Little moments[/YOUTUBE]
 

Saslou

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These are the most confident people, yet when they open up you can see them bleeding. These are the people who just want someone to love them for who they are, to be able to give their heart without fear of having it stepped on.

Summed it up in one ..
 

sculpting

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I feel for you, since we only know what we percieve I can see you have yet to find love that has not hurt you nor been with someone who values experience whether it succeeds or fails. I know several 4s and my heart goes out for them. These are the people I will let beat me in a game of wit and they will never know for their happyness and the smile on thier face is all that matters. I will put their thoughts into action for the enjoyment of being with them whether I think they are right or wrong. These are the most confident people, yet when they open up you can see them bleeding. These are the people who just want someone to love them for who they are, to be able to give their heart without fear of having it stepped on.

[YOUTUBE="uC-DKjkxbv0"]Little moments[/YOUTUBE]

HI POKIIIII!!!!!!!

Ima a four too. It sucks. wish I was normal.
 

SillySapienne

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love, love, love

care, care, care

despair

there is no fair lair

but to keep it real

to trust how you feel

it means something

everything means something

beautiful and unique

abstract and concrete

we will live our dreams
 

Fluffywolf

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Reminds me of a poem I once wrote. I may have had 4 traits at a phase in my life. :p
 

Lexan

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Ahhhh type Four loneliness...There's nothing like it... At least, that's what the type Fours would say... ;)

Advice to fours : Look beyond yourself and don't take things too personally. In the end it won't matter what people thought of you or what identity you constructed, but whether you served your objective and made what you could out of life. Oh, and, also, don't take life too seriously.

Said by a Four who has taken life, and herself, too seriously many a time. :doh:
 

Sarcasticus

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Holy shit .. i am loving this site more and more .. i ain't the only screwed up individual on this planet .. Guess what i'm a 4

That comes as no surprise. I've never thought you seemed very ESFJ-ish.
You sure you're not an N?
 

Saslou

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That comes as no surprise. I've never thought you seemed very ESFJ-ish.
You sure you're not an N?

Lmao .. Funny that i just came across this and you are asking me a question .. Must be fate/coincidence/random nothingness ;)

I am apparently an ESFJ .. that is what the tests say anyway.

I am not a 4 anymore .. I am 2w1 .. Now that makes sense. I was just in a very sad place when i took that test. :D
 

Sarcasticus

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Lmao .. Funny that i just came across this and you are asking me a question .. Must be fate/coincidence/random nothingness ;)

I am apparently an ESFJ .. that is what the tests say anyway.

I am not a 4 anymore .. I am 2w1 .. Now that makes sense. I was just in a very sad place when i took that test. :D

Yeah, that's more like it. Hope you're feeling better now. :)
 

Poki

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Hello, my name is CaptainChick and I am an enneagram 4.

:bye:

If you give me something good, I will fuck it up.

If you give me something fucked up, I will fix it.

I only feel centered when in the eye of the storm.

There is a home in my heart amongst the chaos.

I am alone, always alone, I am alone in this cyclical cyclone.

If you are a four, please share your eccentricities, please make me feel less like a freak, and more like a four.

For once I want to be on the inside.

I want to connect.

I want to be seen seeing things.

Hello fellow fours, how are you this evening?

:)

This sounds alot like what I write about feelings towards others. Must be FiNe vs NiFe
 
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