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    Senior Member Misty_Mountain_Rose's Avatar
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    You know... the more I try to connect with people and use that inherent 4 compassion for pain, the more I find that I'm not alone. Every time I reach out, I find another person carrying their own set of problems, and I've found that I'm a very good listener and 'guidance' councellor. (I use the term loosely).

    All my life I've seen people change their lives time and time again because of talks that we had where I helped them and held their hand while they dug into the depths of their OWN feelings. What I can seem to do naturally for myself, others often don't know how to do. I know that those people are happier than they were and I'm proud that I could help them. I don't offer advise to them to think a certain way or to make decisions... but rather help them understand where their core problem is.

    I should have been a therapist I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briochick View Post
    I hate that Jonny Depp is a 4w5. I don't want to be connected with him, because everyone loves him and he's weird. He's not sexy. He's skinny. I'm weird and most people don't love me.
    Too bad he's also an INFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    Too bad he's also an INFP.
    lol, just my luck, isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briochick View Post
    He's not sexy. He's skinny.
    ;-p
    I'm skinny. Do you want to fight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adoamros View Post
    I'm skinny. Do you want to fight?
    lol, I don't want to fight anyone.
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    My fellow 4s, question:

    How many of you are masochists?

    I'm curious to know if there is some type of correlation, here.

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    'Cause you can't handle me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    My fellow 4s, question:

    How many of you are masochists?

    I'm curious to know if there is some type of correlation, here.

    I think we need to be clear on the definition of "masochist" here, as it can mean different things that may not be related. For example:
    1. Psychiatry. the condition in which sexual gratification depends on suffering, physical pain, and humiliation.
    2. gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, esp. the tendency to seek this form of gratification.
    3. the act of turning one's destructive tendencies inward or upon oneself.
    4. the tendency to find pleasure in self-denial, submissiveness, etc.
    I would say I have masochistic tendencies to a certain degree based on definition #3, but not so much the others. This can manifest itself in the drama of suffering to create a unique identify...
    "How can I be, all I want to be,
    When all I want to do is strip away these stilled constraints
    And crush this charade, shred this sad, masquerade"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGeq5v7L3WM

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    #3 resonates with me the most, as well.
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    'Cause you can't handle me...

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    "That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is."

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    #3 used to apply, but I've reigned that in as I've grown older.

    To answer your question, I'm a 4w5 who is not a masochist.
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    Due to BlackCat's diligence in explaining enneagram stuff I consider myself to be a 4w5 sp/sx - I'm still trying to see what-in-all it's going to teach me.

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