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[Traditional Enneagram] Nice to meet you guys, care to help finding my Enneagram? :)

Jackobus

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Hi guys, I'm Jacopo, 22, from Florence in Italy :)
I recently discovered that I'm a INTP in MBTI system, but I'm still having troubles finding an enneagram that identify myself, if you wish to help I'd be glad :)

Main Questions


1. What do you think your life is about? What drives you in life? This can be something like a goal or a purpose, or anything else that comes to mind.

I would like to accomplish something good, that could leave a definite change in people close to me and, if possible, on the society. I care a lot about self expression and finding myself, so, I'd love to walk at the end of this life, knowing that I've done something that I loved and helped in some way others.

I'm mostly driven by harmony, backed up with a bit of ambition and compromise, I'm quite indecisive on things because I constantly self-doubt myself, but I'd love to reach my objectives! I'm having troubles at University, law course, but, my main concern is managing in some way to get myself moving and finally reach the professions I'd love to do

2. What were you like as a kid?

I was quite easygoing and peaceful, I always preferred to have relations with adults, but had pretty good times with my friend too! I was a lot more extraverted and expressive, than, in middle school I quite had a shock after the separation of my parents and ended up becoming more insecure (also, because at my school there were pretty terrible people that I simply couldn't manage to build a bridge witht them), in high school I was more open, still having troubles with classmates, but I had a group of friends that was pretty strong and united, so I knew I could have relied on them! Now, in my 20s I'm more easy-going,. pretty adaptable to every situation and have a tendency to make people comfortable and they open up with me, maybe because they feel listened to without being judged (at least, based on what others said :p) and, some people also told me I'm quite enthusiasthic and easily have a knack to "get" other people (I'm not very empathethic, but I have a tendency of relying on my instincts and usually receiving correct impressions on other people, and I learned to trust this sensations)

3. Describe your relationship with your parents. Does anything stand out about the way you interacted?

The bond with my other is the strongest I have, since she raised me and we had to always count on each other, while with my father I just recently started to relate with and understand him, but I really don't respect him as a "man" in the strict sense, even if i love him anyway.
With my mom we easily get each other, and she's the one I feel most comfrotable in being "assertive" and have constructive discussions, while with others I'm a lot more accomodating and usually act as a counselor for them (even if I think I really suck a it xD)


4. What values are important to you? What do you hope to avoid doing or being?


For me (not in a particular order) Kindness, free speech, openness, exhcanging values and ideas, helpfulness, reliability, freedom, harmony, balance and adaptability; I want to make sure that others could count on me (whil I tend not to share very much of my internal struggles, preferring to give rather than receive, but I appreciate a lot when they do so)

I fear the idea of being shamed or been seen as a critic heartless guy, with bad manners and a fiery temper. I try to keep self-control most of the time, but sometimes I burst very strongly and explosively :/ I also avoid at all costs to hurt others in any way

5. Aside from phobias, are there any fears that characterized your childhood? Have they continued into the present day, or not, and if not, how have you dealt with them?

Not very much, aside the fact that I fear the idea of not being accepted or being harshly criticized or demonized; I lived as a cast out during middle school, I won't definitely end up in a similar situation since it was pretty disturbing...
Also, I fear the idea of being bent and bossed around in the workplace, I could hardly stand a situation like that.



6. a.) How do you see yourself?



I am quite easygoing, self-disciplined and peaceful, kinda zen in certain situations and try not to being swayed by panic in crisis. I'd like to think I have good intellectual capabilities, but always end up diminsihing them.
I'm open, sociable and like to meet new people, while building a relationship is a complete different story. Aside my Ti dominance. I'm quite romatic at heart and I try (and hope) to be as helpful as possible to people close to me.
I'm indecisive, not very assertive and definitely not imposing, even if I enjoy an intellectual discussion as long as I'm sure that the other won't be offended or take it badly, in that case I'd prefer to change topic or sometimes omitt my ideas... I try to look for compromises in different situations.

b.) How do you want others to see you?

I'd like, as I said, be seen as helpful and reliable, disciplined and a competent guy who could been given a job project and make others sure sure I'd make it.

c.) What do you dislike the most in other people?

Intolerance, close mindness, judgmental people who can't see a perspective different from theirs. I hate unpolitness and uncompromising non-cooperativity; I avoid as hell imposing people that boss around others and obstruct the possibility of expressing a free opinion...

7. Which habit do you most automatically act on? Rank the following habits from most to least automatic, on a scale of 1 (most) to 3 (least).


a.)2. Work for personal gain with more concern for self than for others.

I'd like to get wealth, but I wouldn't make it a priority over helping others or compromising

b) 1. Strive for a sense of tranquility in yourself and the world around you

Definitely, I look for a mental and spiritual fulfillment and always search for harmony

8. Where does the wandering mind take you? What provokes this?

It switches between theories and knowledge I'm researching on (especially in pesonality typing, I like to have a mental archive of what others' types I think they are) to past experiences or , when I'm out, coming home and relaxing in a tranquil atmosphere.
Mostly when I'm pretty tired or not interested in things I watch/listen to or that are explained to me :O


9. What makes you feel your best? What makes you feel your worst?


The idea of tranquility, relax, cutting off my mind and just enjoy the peace of senses around me (I'd like to learn to meditate in beautiful surroundings); when I follow my many hobbies, dedicating my time to them; when I know that people that comes to me loooking for advices are feeling helped

What makes me feel bad are strong, explosive and destructive discussions that could only harm a relationship or a strong bond; hypocrisy; indecisiveness and procrastination (two of my worst habits); feeling underappreciated or diminished


10. Let's talk about emotions. Explain what might make you feel the following, how they feel to you or how you react to the emotion:

a.) anger

I try to hide it, I just let it go wild with my family since I live with them, especially when my mentally illed grandma don't let my mother breathing since my mom is always stressed and has too many negative things going on lately... when pushed to the very limit I really bust out, but I mostly try to supress it, take a deep breath, and find common ground while having discussion (as I said, I'm totally incapacitated on imposing myself or assert others xD)
Luckily I'm really patient on certain things, especially social and relationship issues ahah

b.) shame

I hate feeling ashamed, especially when put on the spot under the highlights and making terrible impressions. I'm improving this quite a bit, taking in it in a more zen and tranquil approach xD

c.) anxiety

I always try to focus on the bright side, pushing anxiety away, but it usally manifests itself when I self-doubt myself and end up in a grip of negative possibilities , but can snap out of it quite fast luckily :/


11. Describe how you respond to the following:

a.) stress


I have a tendency to put it away, focusing more on being unfloating and self-disciplined, without giving to much attention to it; eventualy it end up accumulating and bursting out, giving me some anger explosions (and I usually feel bad afterwards) or just a constant feeling of sleepiness and dizziness D:

b.) negative unexpected change

I learned to accept it and usually try to make the best out of it, but, in the beginning, it could shake me up quite a bit

c.) conflict

Personally, I can be pretty assertive and obstinate in my ideas, but without being uncompromised and pushing on them; I'm pretty open, and look forward, for them to be confuted and discarded and usually have a tendency to "let them go"; with others people, I simply act by ignoring it or trying to mediate it in a peace-keeping act


12 a.) What kind of role are you naturally inclined to take in a group? Why?

I switch between being quite enthusiatically and involve others, or simply being as a counselor that listens to others ramblings a lot, activating my troubleshooting mood to help them figure out a solution for themselves xD

b.) If put in power, how do you behave? Why?

I won't be good, definitely. I would probably end up being pushed around by others, or not imposing, trying to keep things going smoothly in an organized way and trying to find a good sistemation for everyone in the group.

c.) Do you tend to struggle with others who have authority over you? Why?

I'm quite obedient, even if skeptical because I want the respect to be earned and not given just because they have an authority position. I won't cause big commotions (even if I have revolutionary and rebelling ideas) because, especially at work, they could use their powers over me.

13. What do you see or notice in others that most people don't?

Mostly motives and explanation of behaviours, but I won't take them for granted, even if I trust my hunches and intuitions a lot :p

14. Comment on your relationship with trust.

I hardly give complete trust to someone, but, when I do, they have it until the very end, except if strongly betrayed in some way

15. Briefly: What religious and/or political beliefs do you have? Do you think they influenced your responses in this questionnaire?


I have tendencies pretty close to Buddhism and oriental philosphy and religions, and, yes, since I studied them a bit I think they have biased my questionnaire :p
On political, I'm mostly apolitic since I don't pick a side, just because that side is leftist or rightist, I prefer individual ideas and explanations, but I probably have some ideas pretty close to socialism-liberalism, but this preference efinitely didn't influence my questionnaire


Optional Question (due to personal nature)

Discuss an event that has impacted your life significantly; more importantly, how you responded to it.

How I was acknwledged at my workplace, it definitely boosted my self-confidence and helped my insecurity issues, experience is the ebst teacher for me :p

Extra Questions

Which of the following temptations do you find yourself acting upon the most? (And briefly state why)

To cyclically become indecisive and seek others for reassurance.


I'm indecisive AF, and rely mostly on my family in help with it, and, yes, I keep asking close friend of mine for reassurance if I'm on the right path xD

To overuse imagination in searching for yourself.

Definitely, I love to understand and learn about things, and so I immediately apply them to me, feeling mostly biased on my hypothesis about my essence


To avoid conflicts and asserting yourself.

When pushed hard I become pretty obstinate and unyielding, but never, ever impose myself on others, I see it as some form of trampling and disrespect;
I can sometimes become pretty stubborn and assertive in my positions in these situations, but I would definitely sacrifice assertiveness in favor of less fierce discussions

What's something you are: a.) thankful you have b.) wish you could have? Why?

I'm thankful to have people who believe in me and my capacities close to me, and also I'm really thankful I have a good deductive reasoning and dot connectings ability :D

I wish I could been less indecisive, more fierce and determined without being detoured or changing my mind a lot, since it always make me procrastinate important things

sorry for the long post and my English, it's not my mother language :)
If you have more questions I'd love to answer to them
Thanks a lot for the help and your patience *gives cookie for having the patience of reaching this point*
Nice to meet you anyway guys!!!!
JC
 

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"I am quite easygoing, self-disciplined and peaceful, kinda zen in certain situations and try not to being swayed by panic in crisis. I'd like to think I have good intellectual capabilities, but always end up diminsihing them."

"When pushed hard I become pretty obstinate and unyielding, but never, ever impose myself on others, I see it as some form of trampling and disrespect;
I can sometimes become pretty stubborn and assertive in my positions in these situations, but I would definitely sacrifice assertiveness in favor of less fierce discussions."


So far I'm seeing 9w1. I posted those two quotes because they stand out most, but I also considered the entire post.
 

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I think I'll change my call to 9w8. I don't know if there's enough information to go on while waiting for the OP to get back to this thread. But I would say that the anger issues point more toward the 8-wing.
 

Jackobus

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I think I'll change my call to 9w8. I don't know if there's enough information to go on while waiting for the OP to get back to this thread. But I would say that the anger issues point more toward the 8-wing.

Thanks a lot for the reply and Sorry about the delay, I just noticed it now!
What makes you think more of 9w8 rather than 9w1? :) (sorry, I just started to study enneagram recently, so I'm not sure about all the things I know so far!)
Anyway, it seems a pretty good possibility! I was typed sometimes as 3, but I think 9 is a better suitable possibility (or 6? but maybe 9 is better :D)
Also, one stupid unrelated question: How comes that in your bio your sociotype is LII (nice to meet a kindred soul ahah) while in MBTI IxTP? Aren't they supposed to coincide?
Sorry about the off-topic, thanks a bunch for your reply and patience
 

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Thanks a lot for the reply and Sorry about the delay, I just noticed it now!
What makes you think more of 9w8 rather than 9w1? :) (sorry, I just started to study enneagram recently, so I'm not sure about all the things I know so far!)
Anyway, it seems a pretty good possibility! I was typed sometimes as 3, but I think 9 is a better suitable possibility (or 6? but maybe 9 is better :D)
Also, one stupid unrelated question: How comes that in your bio your sociotype is LII (nice to meet a kindred soul ahah) while in MBTI IxTP? Aren't they supposed to coincide?
Sorry about the off-topic, thanks a bunch for your reply and patience


My 9w8 call comes from the quotes below:

a.) anger

I try to hide it, I just let it go wild with my family since I live with them, especially when my mentally illed grandma don't let my mother breathing since my mom is always stressed and has too many negative things going on lately... when pushed to the very limit I really bust out, but I mostly try to supress it, take a deep breath, and find common ground while having discussion (as I said, I'm totally incapacitated on imposing myself or assert others xD)
Luckily I'm really patient on certain things, especially social and relationship issues ahah


11. Describe how you respond to the following:

a.) stress

I have a tendency to put it away, focusing more on being unfloating and self-disciplined, without giving to much attention to it; eventualy it end up accumulating and bursting out, giving me some anger explosions (and I usually feel bad afterwards) or just a constant feeling of sleepiness and dizziness D:
 

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[MENTION=13589]Mal12345[/MENTION] Thanks a lot for the reply again, I looked into the 9w8 enneagram and it sure fits a lot, especially confronted with the 9w1
Could you think also 6 could be a possibility? I definitely see some traits of it in me, how does it differ from the 9 in its approaches?
Thanks again
 

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[MENTION=13589]Mal12345[/MENTION] Thanks a lot for the reply again, I looked into the 9w8 enneagram and it sure fits a lot, especially confronted with the 9w1
Could you think also 6 could be a possibility? I definitely see some traits of it in me, how does it differ from the 9 in its approaches?
Thanks again

6 would be part of your tritype. I noticed the 6 traits in the OP but didn't see enough of them to call you a type 6. The 6 is a loyalist, a believer in fighting for causes and for the underdogs in life, has rapidly-shifting emotions in the unhealthier levels, is more-or-less playful depending on the wing type, and doesn't mind conflict too much depending on the wing type. They are intellectual, and often witty and charming.
 

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[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION] Thanks those were pretty interesting sources! On the free sample of the test, I got 9 as both first and second card :O
I've done it randomly 1 month ago and got 9 and 2 at the time, so, the results are kinda consistent!
On the other site I noticed that INTP 9 are the third most common enneagram type, very interesting.
[MENTION=13589]Mal12345[/MENTION] thanks for the clarification, makes sense to me it was more a part of the tritype rather than the dominant! Any ideas about the instinctual variants?
Thanks guys
 
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