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    Sometimes I tested as 3 sometimes as 8. Whats the difference?

    How to know which my basic drive is, the heart or the gut?

    Last time I tooked 2 different tests, one says 8w7 sx/sp, another 3w2 sx/so

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    Misidentifying 3 and 8 — The Enneagram Institute

    I know you requested the info for yourself, but that link also illustrates why I think Trump is easily a 3 and not an 8.
    From this hour I ordain myself loos’d of limits and imaginary lines.
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    Yes, I think also Trump is 3 not 8. It easy to spot.

    I know about the link. The article is biased. It prefer 8s in contrast to 3s.

    Author hates 3s and highly favours 8s. Someone is 8 themselves, or highly outshined by 3s. Or both. Maybe it s somone neutral, who just favours 8s, and scorns 3s.

    "Eighst are the real deal, the real 'article, instead of 3s who are fake images without substance..."

    How someone can be so stupid to call someone else a 'real article'. When 'article', in and of itself, is something artificial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechnick View Post
    Sometimes I tested as 3 sometimes as 8. Whats the difference?

    How to know which my basic drive is, the heart or the gut?

    Last time I tooked 2 different tests, one says 8w7 sx/sp, another 3w2 sx/so
    Have you looked at the table showing ego fixation, holy idea, vice/passion, basic fear, basic desire, temptation, virtue et cetera on Enneagram of Personality (Wikipedia)?

    Type 3
    Ego fixation: Vanity
    Holy idea: Hope, Law
    Basic fear: Worthlessness
    Basic desire: To feel valuable
    Temptation: Pushing self to always be "the best"
    Vice/Passion: Deceit
    Virtue: Truthfulness, Authenticity
    Stress type: 9
    Security type: 6

    Type 8
    Ego fixation: Vengeance (Objectification)
    Holy idea: Truth
    Basic fear: Being harmed, controlled, violated
    Basic desire: Self-protection
    Temptation: Thinking they are completely self-sufficient
    Vice/Passion: Lust (Forcefulness)
    Virtue: Innocence
    Stress type: 5
    Security type: 2
    Enneagram
    Tritype: 125 (The Mentor = Gut-Heart-Head = Rational-Idealistic/Caring-Interpersonal/Intense-Cerebral)
    Main type: 1 (The Reformer = Gut = Rational-Idealistic) Wing types: 1w9 > 2w1 > 5w6
    Instinctual variant stacking: sx/sp

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    Ti = Se > Te = Si = Fi > Fe > Ne > Ni

    Temperament
    Phlegmatic
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInExcelsisDeo View Post
    Have you looked at the table showing ego fixation, holy idea, vice/passion, basic fear, basic desire, temptation, virtue et cetera on Enneagram of Personality (Wikipedia)?

    Type 3
    Ego fixation: Vanity
    Holy idea: Hope, Law
    Basic fear: Worthlessness
    Basic desire: To feel valuable
    Temptation: Pushing self to always be "the best"
    Vice/Passion: Deceit
    Virtue: Truthfulness, Authenticity
    Stress type: 9
    Security type: 6

    Type 8
    Ego fixation: Vengeance (Objectification)
    Holy idea: Truth
    Basic fear: Being harmed, controlled, violated
    Basic desire: Self-protection
    Temptation: Thinking they are completely self-sufficient
    Vice/Passion: Lust (Forcefulness)
    Virtue: Innocence
    Stress type: 5
    Security type: 2
    Tnx, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechnick View Post
    Tnx, dude.
    Glad to have been of service!
    Enneagram
    Tritype: 125 (The Mentor = Gut-Heart-Head = Rational-Idealistic/Caring-Interpersonal/Intense-Cerebral)
    Main type: 1 (The Reformer = Gut = Rational-Idealistic) Wing types: 1w9 > 2w1 > 5w6
    Instinctual variant stacking: sx/sp

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    LSI-0-ISTj (The Inspector - Logical Sensing Introvert)

    Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
    ISTJ (The Duty Fulfiller - )

    JCF
    Ti = Se > Te = Si = Fi > Fe > Ne > Ni

    Temperament
    Phlegmatic

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    Meh, honestly I'm really skeptical of explanations that say things to the effect that often, people mistype as 8s or mistype as 5s or whatever. The way I understand 8, there's nothing all that mysterious about it. A smarter or more powerful 3 can kick an 8 lesser in those categories out of the water.

    I think there's an actual difference in how these types all frame their attitudes towards their having needs to be fulfilled within the world. The gut types seem to rely least on a sense of ego separate from the world -- where an image type may wish expressly to build this up, so as to mark its significance, and a head type may build it up to figure out what the boundaries are separating it from the world/its ability to fulfill/threaten their needs.

    So for example, 1 is the gut type closest to the image triad on the enneagram, and the idea is that, instead of establishing an image, the 1 perfects everything -- this implicitly obliterates the question of lacking worthiness in oneself, as one notices.
    Similarly, 8s repress inhibition, which is a theme of the nearby 5/6/7 triad (where 7s straddle the lines -- gluttony is a mixture of inhibition/craving, where the focus is on not feeling denied, not on truly devouring).
    They can be narcissistic or self-indulgent, and full of themselves for their power (if indeed they are powerful), but there isn't the same quest to establish their significance as with 3s. It's more a focus on getting one's way/having nothing stand in that way than a focus on one's worth/significance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechnick View Post
    How someone can be so stupid to call someone else a 'real article'. When 'article', in and of itself, is something artificial.

    In short, even average Eights are the "genuine article," whereas average Threes are an imitation of it.

    Misidentifying 3 and 8 — The Enneagram Institute
    "Genuine article" can be looked up in any online dictionary. Dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    "Genuine article" can be looked up in any online dictionary. Dude.
    Then 'any online dictionary' is wrong, also. It cant be 'genuine' and 'article' togheter. It's oxymoron. Genuine is same as original, authentic! Article is artificial, generic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechnick View Post
    Then 'any online dictionary' is also wrong. It cant be 'genuine' and 'article' togheter.
    Over here in the U.S. people know what an idiom is. Unless they flunked English class.
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