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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphyne View Post
    After figuring out your numbers what do you do next?
    What do you mean? That's all there is.

    That's like saying "after you figure out your MBTI type what do you do next?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    What do you mean? That's all there is.
    I´m wondering if it´s just about getting a nice label. You see, the fuzzy, esoteric aesthetic has one advantage, you have to strain yourself to get any understanding out of it. If you make it very easy you may miss what it´s all about. To understand your type it´s necessary to invest time and energy or you will only get a nice label.

    That´s not specifically directed at you, I just observe that there´s more talk about enneagram test scores than passions.

    That's like saying "after you figure out your MBTI type what do you do next?"
    Yes, it´s the same. There´s a difference between getting your test results and actually learning about your type.

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    How do you learn about a type? That doesn't make sense to me.

    All you can get are examples. Or you can look at the parts that make the whole. That's it.

    There is no "greater" knowledge of an INFJ, for example, than knowing about Ni, Fe, Ti, and Se, and knowing how Ni dominance affects the other functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    So you're a 7>9>3 SIP or a 7>3>9 SIP
    okay, well i have to conclude then that it doesn't work, then, cos I don't indentify with either 9 or 3 at all, but 8 and 5 strongly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    How do you learn about a type? That doesn't make sense to me.
    By getting to know the theory, by drawing your own conclusions and by observing how a type manifest itself. And with the enneagram by finding out how your basic passion runs through your life, by seeing where´s your focus of attention and by finding out about your type pattern.

    There is no "greater" knowledge of an INFJ, for example, than knowing about Ni, Fe, Ti, and Se, and knowing how Ni dominance affects the other functions.
    I don´t know what you mean by “greater” knowledge, but certainly knowledge about Ni, Fe, Ti, and Se has to be acquired, you´re not born with it.

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    Meh, we're on different planes. We're both right (we don't disagree).

    I just wondered what you meant by "what now". I thought it would be self-explanatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    okay, well i have to conclude then that it doesn't work, then, cos I don't indentify with either 9 or 3 at all, but 8 and 5 strongly.
    If you identify with 8 strongly, then maybe your order is actually different than you stated. 8 is turbulent/pursuing. So you are probably Controlled>Turbulent>Suppressive instead of Controlled>Suppressive>Turbulent.

    In this system, we've redefined the types by the variables. The common type descriptions aren't a reliable means to check validity in our system. (Same is true with MBTI anyway.)

    Maybe 7>8>9 SIP?

    Again, 5 is diagonal from 7 and 8, which means it shares no variable values in common. 9 makes more sense because it shares the "controlled" variable with 7, but is in "avoiding" mode instead of "pursuing".

    Also remember that everyone can identify to some degree with all types. Our system is just meant to show where someone fits in the grid most often. The wings just further specify the placement.

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    I had more to say, but I got drunk while going through the second and third posts and forgot it... suspense... but I still know that I intended to ask this, what is the biggest downfall of your take on the enneagram? (me trying to make sense of something that made sense to me before... obviously not something that should be taken too seriously, but it was going to help me get at what you thought you were correcting, in a deeper sense than you stated, in the enneagram)

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    Yeah okay well I can go with the first part, but no, there's really not much 9 in me at all, but still very much of 5.

    It could be that I'm a sorta exceptional case in that I did have a very violent, traumatic event that sorta ruptured my life from early 20's onwards kind of totally asunder from my life previous to that, so that I not only developed in a direction that was very artificial, with a sort of 'forced' personality of introverted behaviour, leading to my seeking solace and to make sense of the deep shit i was in through the acquisition of knowledge and very 5 type behaviour. But then when I was sorta liberated from that in a completely unforeseeable way, my whole personality was able to take off in a totally different direction as my actual authentic extraversion made itself known.

    Hm... my first objection to the official Enneagram system was that I felt I should be 8w5 haha... but up to my early 20's I really was a very stereotypical 5, whilst as I say, now most people say (including the pro Enneagram dude I know in RL) that I'm split down the middle between 7 and 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Thank you for the awesome work you did in putting this thread together.
    I think it should be nominated for the "
    Haight Classics".

    As far as the first variable, I'm pretty sure I do the Avoidant the most.

    I don't think I understand the second variable well enough yet.
    I do some of each and I can't tell them apart enough to differentiate.

    Can you help me?
    Did anybody notice my question? I still need help.

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