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    Senior Member Delphyne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Yeah, except that I was taught to suppress them, and the enneagram is something I'm supposed to have learned in infancy.
    You´ve developed your filter and your focus of attention at the end of your infancy at the latest (though I think you´re born your type), but that doesn´t mean that you won´t react on your environment. It´s part of your focus of attention to react very sensitively on specific messages.
    If you were simply taught to suppress your anger than now it shouldn´t be a problem to do as you like. You call yourself „mom“, so I guess you don´t live with your parents anymore, right? If you can´t let go of your suppression, it´s because you subconsciously wanted yourself to suppress your anger.

    The other problem is that Xander says I'm not a five.
    I don´t think you´re a five either. Your previous post points to quite another type. Ones specifically suppress their anger, because they think it´s not okay to express it under normal circumstances. It´s important to do the “right“ thing, to be “good“. Though Ones will express their anger if they think it´s morally justified. For example, they can angrily denounce injustices. Political Ones often show a lot of their anger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphyne View Post
    You´ve developed your filter and your focus of attention at the end of your infancy at the latest (though I think you´re born your type), but that doesn´t mean that you won´t react on your environment. It´s part of your focus of attention to react very sensitively on specific messages.
    If you were simply taught to suppress your anger than now it shouldn´t be a problem to do as you like. You call yourself „mom“, so I guess you don´t live with your parents anymore, right? If you can´t let go of your suppression, it´s because you subconsciously wanted yourself to suppress your anger.
    I feel like this isn't the point I was trying to make. The point is that I think I would have been a "turbulent" if I would not have been squelched by my parents for showing my feelings. I was forced to suppress. It did not come naturally, and furthermore if I were a "supressive", as somebody suggested, then that would make me a five, which I am not. Since I am most likely a four, I am probably firstly a turbulent deep down inside, but that ruins the whole thing because I was trying to confirm that I was a four with the information in this thread, but that did not happen.

    Though it is interesting to learn that I probably am a "turbulent" who likes to show their feelings.
    This explains a lot of the faces I make, and why I like to be dramatic every so often,
    and why I like to be wild and crazy at concerts.


    I don´t think you´re a five either. Your previous post points to quite another type. Ones specifically suppress their anger, because they think it´s not okay to express it under normal circumstances. It´s important to do the “right“ thing, to be “good“. Though Ones will express their anger if they think it´s morally justified. For example, they can angrily denounce injustices. Political Ones often show a lot of their anger.
    I used to think I was a one, but the description reminds me too much of the SJ type, and before I had kids, I was pretty wild anyway.
    If you guys think that Russell site is pretty accurate, then I'm pretty sure I'm a four,
    which would make me avoidant-turbulent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I feel like this isn't the point I was trying to make. The point is that I think I would have been a "turbulent" if I would not have been squelched by my parents for showing my feelings. I was forced to suppress.
    The enneagram is not about what you would have been if you had the most understanding and loving parents, it´s about the prison you unconciously put yourself into. It´s part of the type to blame your environment.
    It did not come naturally, and furthermore if I were a "supressive", as somebody suggested, then that would make me a five, which I am not.
    Why? There are actually three suppressive types: 1,3, and 5.
    Since I am most likely a four, I am probably firstly a turbulent deep down inside, but that ruins the whole thing because I was trying to confirm that I was a four with the information in this thread, but that did not happen.
    Type Four´s passion is envy. Can you identify with that?
    Though it is interesting to learn that I probably am a "turbulent" who likes to show their feelings.
    This explains a lot of the faces I make, and why I like to be dramatic every so often,
    and why I like to be wild and crazy at concerts.
    I don´t know about Magic Poriferan´s system, but in the „normal“ enneagram the „turbulent“ is equivalent to the „reactive“ type and it´s about how you react to conflicts and problems. Everyone can be wild and crazy at concerts and dramatic, that has nothing to do with being a „reactive“ type.
    I used to think I was a one, but the description reminds me too much of the SJ type, and before I had kids, I was pretty wild anyway.
    Being wild doesn´t negate being a One. There are certainly INTJ Ones.

    If you´re interested, you can ask yourself these two questions:
    - What would happen if you wouldn´t suppress your anger anymore?
    - What would happen if you wouldn´t be different from other people anymore?
    Don´t answer them right away. The more you ponder over these questions, the more you are likely to tap into your subconsciousness.

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    I'm a 4>5>1>8

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    When I've looked at various Enneagram descriptions in the past and taken several tests, I thought I was either a 4, 5, 1 or 2. (4w5 seemed to make the most sense under what little I know of the normal Enneagram system)

    I also had a hard time with the descriptions in your system trying to figure out which really apply to me, since I also don't show a lot of emotion most of the time, but I sometimes have to focus a lot of energy to supress emotion in public (depending on the strength of the emotion), so its definately not somethign that comes naturally to me, and trying to show a fake emotion is next to impossible for me, so I would choose teh following order for those...

    turbulent
    suppressive
    controlling

    For the other set of variables, it was also hard to figure out which apply to me. There are a few things that are important to me that I do put a lot of effort to and give nearly complete disregard to the negative aspects of if it will bring me closer to those goals, but for everything else avoiding makes more sense, and when the benefit fo somethgin is intriguing, then I go into a more anyalytical pro/con analysis applying personalized weights to various aspects of the decision, so in the end I went with

    avoiding
    anticipating
    persuing

    I don't really understnad the inscintual/motivation stuff, and you did not give links for additional reading on that or give much of a description, so I don't know how I'd rank those.

    If I understand your system, I'd end up somethign like this under it.

    4>5>6>1>9>8>2>3>7

    They one type I'd say I'm absolutly certain I am not and do not relate to at all is 3, and there is also a lot in 8 that is definately not me. After following the link that INJMom posted, I could see a strong case being made for me being a 1. Stronger than a 5, but still not as good of a match as a 4. The most surprising thing about the above results using your system is how low 2 scored and how comparativly high 8 scored. 6 and 9 also feel a bit out of place to me.

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    this is an interesting little system and all, only problem is, its nothing new. with mbti and the enneagram, one could come up with 1000s of different logical systems that all logically work. personally i dont think the enneagram is deep enough for there to be any point to looking into it this much. it seems that the enneagram is especially helpful when used in conjunction with mbti as a means of explaining motives and thats about it. props for you efforts though. it is quite impressive
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    I think I understand it. I believe I'm a 9>4>6 I-S-P.
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    Not these factories or prisons
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    Avoiding | Anticipating | Pursuing
    Turbulent | Suppressive | Controlling
    Social | Preservational | Intimate

    4|5|6 SPI

    According to the system, is this combination possible? I know I am a Four, so I decided that I relate most to Five in the avoiding column and Six (based on descriptions) in the turbulant row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ofugur View Post
    Avoiding | Pursuing | Anticipating
    Turbulent | Suppressive | Controlling
    Social | Preservational | Intimate

    4/5/8 So|Pr|In

    According to the system, is this combination possible? I know I am a Four, so I decided that I relate most to Five in the avoiding column and Eight (based on descriptions) in the turbulant row.
    Yes, it is possible. 4 and 5 bond on avoidance, 4 and 8 bond on turbulence. You will find that a combination is possible if both of the wings you pick are adjacent to the core type on the grid map I presented. I guess, that should be extended to mention that, however, all three types cannot be on the same row/column, even if they do meet the other requirement.

    This also means the type you are least like is the 2.
    Last edited by Magic Poriferan; 12-30-2008 at 09:08 PM. Reason: incorrect word
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