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    Default How does extreme stress affect enneagram?

    So I was very stressed out, depressed, and anxious for several years and i looked like an exaggerated unhealthy 6. But now that I got rid of my stressors, I relate much more to average-healthier 3 and when I interact with 6s, their actions seem a bit foreign to me.

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    According to the theory, there are growth and stress changes, in which you resemble more certain type when you are "healthy" and another type when you are "unhealthy".

    Growth: 1->7 * Stress: 1->4
    Growth: 2->4 * Stress: 2->8
    Growth: 3->6 * Stress: 3->9
    Growth: 4->1 * Stress: 4->2
    Growth: 5->8 * Stress: 5->7
    Growth: 6->9 * Stress: 6->3
    Growth: 7->5 * Stress: 7->1
    Growth: 8->2 * Stress: 8->5
    Growth: 9->3 * Stress: 9->6

    Now, I'm a 5 sp/sx. But when I'm depressed, other than being a bit reckless, I don't look like a 7. More like I turn into a self-self-self-preservation 5. I lock myself and hybernate, so I'm not quite the norm.. but I've seen it happen like the lists mark in other people, and it'ss true than when I feel better I'm 8-like confident and proactive.

    You normally relate to e3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenErased View Post
    According to the theory, there are growth and stress changes, in which you resemble more certain type when you are "healthy" and another type when you are "unhealthy".

    Growth: 1->7 * Stress: 1->4
    Growth: 2->4 * Stress: 2->8
    Growth: 3->6 * Stress: 3->9
    Growth: 4->1 * Stress: 4->2
    Growth: 5->8 * Stress: 5->7
    Growth: 6->9 * Stress: 6->3
    Growth: 7->5 * Stress: 7->1
    Growth: 8->2 * Stress: 8->5
    Growth: 9->3 * Stress: 9->6

    Now, I'm a 5 sp/sx. But when I'm depressed, other than being a bit reckless, I don't look like a 7. More like I turn into a self-self-self-preservation 5. I lock myself and hybernate, so I'm not quite the norm.. but I've seen it happen like the lists mark in other people, and it'ss true than when I feel better I'm 8-like confident and proactive.

    You normally relate to e3?
    Yeah. When I am in my happy place, I come off pretty self-assured, nonassuming, goal-oriented, and somewhat optimistic. When stressed out, I start overanalyzing, seeking validation/feedback, and become more reactive, passive, and lethargic.

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    Stressed 6s act more like braggarts, show ponies, identify accomplishments, are competitive or cut themselves off from their own feelings, like the dark side of an E3. HOWEVER, under the most extreme conditions, stressed 6s become paranoid and self destructive through paranoia that others aren't on their side...like will literally start shit they KNOW will make people hate them, like haha you're already against me, I'll give you an even better reason...like I'll give you something to cry about. ..which is likely why lifelong outcast Charles Manson eventually turned to murder, but even less dangerous 6s become very offensive...think Eminem or Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter on a bad day.

    So from what I've observed, you go towards your stress point type...but if you go past even that, it's very specific to your enneagram in the way you "hit bottom."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Stressed 6s act more like braggarts, show ponies, identify accomplishments, are competitive or cut themselves off from their own feelings, like the dark side of an E3. HOWEVER, under the most extreme conditions, stressed 6s become paranoid and self destructive through paranoia that others aren't on their side...like will literally start shit they KNOW will make people hate them, like haha you're already against me, I'll give you an even better reason...like I'll give you something to cry about. ..which is likely why lifelong outcast Charles Manson eventually turned to murder, but even less dangerous 6s become very offensive...think Eminem or Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter on a bad day.

    So from what I've observed, you go towards your stress point type...but if you go past even that, it's very specific to your enneagram in the way you "hit bottom."
    I did consider 6 for awhile but none of the e6 tritypes really seem to fit me. I got super paranoid that people weren't on my side because there were several people who weren't being all that consistent with their actions and I allowed myself to get into multiple relationship triangles all at once.

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    You basically layer the bad aspects of the disintegration point, and mix them together with your type. You don't "become" like your disentegration point, but simply mirror it.

    In my case, when I am disintegrated to E4, I will more frequently become more condemning, harsh, and rigid with other people and have no tolerance for deviance of any kind. In order to stop it, I will somehow "create" objective facts that have started from personal opinion. The latter of which comes from E4. This is done because for an E1 anything that even smells like it's source is personal and from the self is NOT ok, so the most convoluted or twisted logic will emerge to prevent the individual from even realizing it's the case. Another thing E1's who have heavily disentegrated will attempt to do is steal or block the voice of personal opinions of others. This is something E4's would never strive to do, but when it's mixed in with E1 that's exactly what it becomes. Another common theme for E4 disintegration is being immensely self critical, self punishing, and self restrictive. Often, it will be completely lost on the E1 the extent that this is being done, or even done at all.

    Looking at integration/disintegration points is IMO one of the biggest key's to figuring out ones enneatype. I have a lot of qualities of 3 (not obvious to others) and 6 (obvious to others) that can and do lead people wondering if that's my true type. Nevertheless, I neither evolve, nor devolve to E9 (I don't relate to E9 even slightly, and becoming E9-like would be profoundly counter-productive for me). However, I do evolve to E7 (occasionally toxicly- it's possible for someone to integrate poorly), and dissolve to E4, which clinches it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Protege View Post
    I did consider 6 for awhile but none of the e6 tritypes really seem to fit me. I got super paranoid that people weren't on my side because there were several people who weren't being all that consistent with their actions and I allowed myself to get into multiple relationship triangles all at once.
    Multiple relationship triangles? How does that happen? Anyway....anyone can have intuition that someone is lying or being inconsistent, whether it's gut instinct from observing their actions and body language, or "intuitive" in the "I don't know why I know but I do" sense. ..so you weren't being paranoid. Paranoia is an exaggerated state, having suspicions or skeptism doesn't always mean that you are paranoid.

    That being said, e9 disentigrates at 6, so they may move from a stage of being disconnected, lazy, floating, or construction of their own little comfortable cloud into a more truly anxious, mistrustful dark side of a 6. I watched a person who solidly identified as 9 who was under personal stress for multiple reasons become deliberately "damn the man" and destructive and vengeful over something. He's permanently banned from this website for what looks very much like stressed CP 6 behavior. ...not that being anti-establishment or trying to change a system is wrong, but healthy 6s get to a place where they trust themselves enough or at least feel secure enough in their groups to exercise this as a trait that is more rational and effective. A healthy 6 optimally works to either bring the group together or make a difference or a change in a meaningful way rather than in a way that hurts them more than it hurts others. And he was a 9..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Multiple relationship triangles? How does that happen? Anyway....anyone can have intuition that someone is lying or being inconsistent, whether it's gut instinct from observing their actions and body language, or "intuitive" in the "I don't know why I know but I do" sense. ..so you weren't being paranoid. Paranoia is an exaggerated state, having suspicions or skeptism doesn't always mean that you are paranoid.

    That being said, e9 disentigrates at 6, so they may move from a stage of being disconnected, lazy, floating, or construction of their own little comfortable cloud into a more truly anxious, mistrustful dark side of a 6. I watched a person who solidly identified as 9 who was under personal stress for multiple reasons become deliberately "damn the man" and destructive and vengeful over something. He's permanently banned from this website for what looks very much like stressed CP 6 behavior. ...not that being anti-establishment or trying to change a system is wrong, but healthy 6s get to a place where they trust themselves enough or at least feel secure enough in their groups to exercise this as a trait that is more rational and effective. A healthy 6 optimally works to either bring the group together or make a difference or a change in a meaningful way rather than in a way that hurts them more than it hurts others. And he was a 9..
    haha, not romantic ones, persay... I just got in the middle of several toxic dynamics. Now that I think about it, my disintegration was very much "I give up on life. I don't know what I am supposed to do or supposed to be. Hear me out NOW but I don't exactly want to ruffle feathers". Thanks for giving me input on e6s because I think I going to be working with a passionate, anxious 6w7 XXFP type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Protege View Post
    haha, not romantic ones, persay... I just got in the middle of several toxic dynamics. Now that I think about it, my disintegration was very much "I give up on life. I don't know what I am supposed to do or supposed to be. Hear me out NOW but I don't exactly want to ruffle feathers". Thanks for giving me input on e6s because I think I going to be working with a passionate, anxious 6w7 XXFP type.
    Hmm. 3s disintegrate at 9, and the downside of 9 is essentially giving up and even at healthier stages they don't especially want to rock the boat. I don't know you might want to consider 3 or 9. Or maybe even 5w6, because 5 is a withdrawn type, and you could have a 6 wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Hmm. 3s disintegrate at 9, and the downside of 9 is essentially giving up and even at healthier stages they don't especially want to rock the boat. I don't know you might want to consider 3 or 9. Or maybe even 5w6, because 5 is a withdrawn type, and you could have a 6 wing.
    Whoa you're good. You pretty much pinned down my tritype.
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