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[Traditional Enneagram] Jealousy of friends having other friends

westrom

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I am INTJ. As for enneagram, I am quite sure I am 3. Idk wing.

What do you think?

Jealousy of friends having other friends. It's weird, really. Let's say I see people saying happy birthday to my friend on social media. I will get upset, jealous, and feel insecure. I will be like "there are so many that talk with him/her, our relationship could easily end???". But if I somehow see that I am the most important, then it makes me feel superior pretty much...
I just really strive for being the best at everything. I am competitive at everything. EVEN IN RELATIONSHIPS. I want to be the most important one.
 

Noll

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Sounds like low self-esteem.
 

geedoenfj

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See the thing that INTJs must know is that people have many other friends and everyone of those have a share, it's like boxes every friend have a box, and loving someone else doesn't mean that he/she have no box for you anymore..
Try to be the best person that you can be and more friendly to others, complete yourself in that matter, then you'd realize you have more appreciation from your friends..
 

Amargith

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Keep in mind that as an INTJ, you're likely to invest only in those people that are really special to you - a small circle of friends. That means that those friendships have a lot more weight to them. Other people who are more focused on socialising than your type, however, will have likely bigger social circles with a lot of different levels of friendship in them because they prefer to spend the bulk of their energy in that field - it's their specialty whereas yours typically lies elsewhere.

In other words, you're responding to this because you see this through your own view on the world - you wouldn't have the energy and time to invest in all those other people, and so you would run out of resources that each person in your circle deserved, hence you fear that you may become the victim of that perceived lack of resources, in turn. This is aided by what I assume is an inability to actually gauge where you stand in a friendship with someone else, since you likely don't (yet?) invest in the multitude of friendship layers that others readily use.

The first is easily remedied by reminding yourself that others don't work like you and unless you actually notice a drop in the friendship, you have nothing to worry about as they manage their resources differently than you - and likely more efficiently.

There is also no need to compete when it comes to relationships - leave that for the professional field as it can seriously backfire in the relationship department, and actually destroy the relationship due to the fact that you're trying to control them and their affection. People aren't just resources and goals to be obtained. It takes two to tango in a relationship - it's more like a dance and while you may have a preference for the kind of bond you like, there is nothing inherently inferior or superior to what type of bond you have with a person. There's just making sure you're on the same page, have the same expectations and actually get out of it what both of you want. If not, go your separate ways or find a way to adjust your expectations :shrug:

As for the gauging thing...just ask. It'll take a bit of courage, for sure, but if you have the kind of friendships where vulnerability has its place (and those tend to be the most intimate and close relationships), they'll be ok with you asking and won't mock you for it. If not, you've got to wonder what you're really competing for and what the point of the relationship is. This tactic has the wonderful benefit of a) helping you develop parameters for gauging where you stand with people - and thus addressing that insecurity with much needed information, b) strengthening your bond by sharing your fears with the other person and c) being the direct opposite of being competitive, thus forcing you to actually learn to shift between professional competition skills and relationship-building skills.

As for how to actually do this: 'Hey, I have a request. This may seem a bit silly but, I find myself sometimes wondering just how close we are, at times, and it can mess with my head. Could you tell me (insert thing you're wondering about - closeness, how they view the relationship, what they get out of it, etc)?'

Be sincere, open and if you can't stand feeling that vulnerable, add a little lighthearted joke or chuckle to put yourself and them at ease.

/two cents.
 

EcK

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I am INTJ. As for enneagram, I am quite sure I am 3. Idk wing.

What do you think?

Jealousy of friends having other friends. It's weird, really. Let's say I see people saying happy birthday to my friend on social media. I will get upset, jealous, and feel insecure. I will be like "there are so many that talk with him/her, our relationship could easily end???". But if I somehow see that I am the most important, then it makes me feel superior pretty much...
I just really strive for being the best at everything. I am competitive at everything. EVEN IN RELATIONSHIPS. I want to be the most important one.
You must defeat these fools and eat their brains to acquire their mana.
Only then will all the secret knowledge of friendship be opened to you in the spirit world.

:coffee:
 

Betty Blue

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Idk, i'm so crap at keeping in touch with friends with any regularity. Then when I do try to organise something and it fails... I feel crap too. It occurs to me that people do not value me very much, I am often the one putting in the effort. As an ENFP putting in effort comes quite naturally, it's not even something I am terribly aware of. But I see a lot of potential in people and have an inclination to feed that potential. Sometimes I think very little of it afterwards but sometimes you see people do very well for themselves and it's great knowing you helped them realise their potential but when they drop you like a hot potato it sucks. /self pity
 
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Long ago I was in very similar shoes. Having less or no friends may seem something that really sucks (especially in some difficult periods of life) but I think it isn't so huge problem. You would be surprised how low is the number of really good friends even in case of very social people and sometimes they realize this only when they get in trouble and in need of help. Most of their friendships are superficial. Very social people can also feel very lonely (maybe because of the previously mentioned reasons). You should focus on developing your strengths and naturally attract quality relationships (compatible with you) instead of desperately searching for friends and being "pushy" (even if you feel alone sometimes).

I would agree with an answer above that suggests low self esteem (regardless of the reason for this). Instead of competing with others you should compete with yourself. The problem here is comparing yourself with others (especially) in areas where you aren't naturally strong. If you don't stop doing this then you are setting up yourself for constant failure regardless of your type. Being a failure will actually push people away.

Focusing and developing your natural superpowers would help developing your weaknesses as well. Becoming stronger actually makes you more valuable for others especially if you don't try to push yourself that much. Being too available is often perceived as having "(very) low value" (this is more important than you would think). Really good friendships last even with long stops (like several months) and without constantly seeking out for the other. Also, for some types (like ISTP) it can be completely natural to disappear for periods of times (up to several weeks or months) even from best friends.

If you aren't mistyped then you should be able to push forward even alone. You would be surprised how many people would be jealous of you for being able to do that without being bound by things like social expectations. Being naturally strong and not so pushy will attract a set of people and you can pick the best allies from that group.
 

grey_beard

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Keep in mind that as an INTJ, you're likely to invest only in those people that are really special to you - a small circle of friends. That means that those friendships have a lot more weight to them. Other people who are more focused on socialising than your type, however, will have likely bigger social circles with a lot of different levels of friendship in them because they prefer to spend the bulk of their energy in that field - it's their specialty whereas yours typically lies elsewhere.

In other words, you're responding to this because you see this through your own view on the world - you wouldn't have the energy and time to invest in all those other people, and so you would run out of resources that each person in your circle deserved, hence you fear that you may become the victim of that perceived lack of resources, in turn. This is aided by what I assume is an inability to actually gauge where you stand in a friendship with someone else, since you likely don't (yet?) invest in the multitude of friendship layers that others readily use.

The first is easily remedied by reminding yourself that others don't work like you and unless you actually notice a drop in the friendship, you have nothing to worry about as they manage their resources differently than you - and likely more efficiently.

There is also no need to compete when it comes to relationships - leave that for the professional field as it can seriously backfire in the relationship department, and actually destroy the relationship due to the fact that you're trying to control them and their affection. People aren't just resources and goals to be obtained. It takes two to tango in a relationship - it's more like a dance and while you may have a preference for the kind of bond you like, there is nothing inherently inferior or superior to what type of bond you have with a person. There's just making sure you're on the same page, have the same expectations and actually get out of it what both of you want. If not, go your separate ways or find a way to adjust your expectations :shrug:

As for the gauging thing...just ask. It'll take a bit of courage, for sure, but if you have the kind of friendships where vulnerability has its place (and those tend to be the most intimate and close relationships), they'll be ok with you asking and won't mock you for it. If not, you've got to wonder what you're really competing for and what the point of the relationship is. This tactic has the wonderful benefit of a) helping you develop parameters for gauging where you stand with people - and thus addressing that insecurity with much needed information, b) strengthening your bond by sharing your fears with the other person and c) being the direct opposite of being competitive, thus forcing you to actually learn to shift between professional competition skills and relationship-building skills.

As for how to actually do this: 'Hey, I have a request. This may seem a bit silly but, I find myself sometimes wondering just how close we are, at times, and it can mess with my head. Could you tell me (insert thing you're wondering about - closeness, how they view the relationship, what they get out of it, etc)?'

Be sincere, open and if you can't stand feeling that vulnerable, add a little lighthearted joke or chuckle to put yourself and them at ease.

/two cents.

INTJ- *approved*.

Welcome back out of retirement, or however it is you re-materialized, btw. :thinking:
 

westrom

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Thank you all for your answers, esp [MENTION=5494]Amargith[/MENTION].

I will try to answer a bit later.
 
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