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01-30-2016, 04:09 PM #51
Tritype: 358 (3w4, 5w6, 8w7)
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02-03-2016, 07:21 AM #52
The structure is simple and regardless of wether I like you or not I will shear it with you.
Simple reading the your own text I have quoted demonstrates this phycology of Ne-Fi Loop.
But the structure this powerful components works with and within is larger that two components.
And for this reason it is difficult to recognise the overcompensating nature of the shadow elements of this dynamic within a larger dynamic. And sadly, when the egoic mind is inflated in an excited or exhilarated or lost in the self's inner powered feel good presentation of a winning persona. It also neglects to witness the basic simple structure. The basic structure for each of the eighteen subtypes has many notes and ways those notes can be ordered, and one of the difficulties with observing the three part interconnected nature of the over all structure we shear in our (let's say social cohesive congeniality we shear) and extend an approval a sheared approval for a degree of free licence to exercise a degree of mutually enjoyed individual shadow expressions of emotional driven phycology.
The basic structure for the INTP consist of three parts the two parts that work with INTP as a supporting structure or as a primary dynamic for the successful image delivery of basic persona act like a multiplicity to I power the unity of the INTP mind set.
Ne-- t --Fi
Fe-- n --Se
Te-- s --Ne
Se-- f --Te
The first row or multiplicity flow, Ne and Fi is a Primary and can be linked to the selfs role within interpersonal control both of a positive and negative mature.
Interpersonal control is a simple practice that affects us all and we all participate with in this role play game so it will not be difficult to see the example of the thinking INTP exercising ( Ne-- t --Fi ).
02-15-2016, 02:09 PM #53
02-16-2016, 11:26 AM #54
@INerdNP you may won't to do a little more home work before casting barbs.
The five with four-wing.
Core of sub-type: five with four-wing; INTP
Auxiliary/wing: four with three-wing; ENFP
Mood wing: six with severn-wing; ISFP
Point of stress/disintegration: seven with six-wing; ESFP
Point of Integration/Neurosis: eight with nine-wing; ESFJ
Example: 5w4 So/Sx , T-N,S,F , Ti-Ne,Se,Fe , Ti-Se , Ne-Fi , Fe-Fe ,
This example hits the First shock with out successfully proceed to the second shock. Probiotic actions flux between the actions of the three dynamics ( Ti-Se , Ne-Fi , Fe-Fe ). These dynamics combined add to the difficulty of understanding and viewing the one to one correlation between the two components 5w4 and INTP witch has more than one four letter order in its four letter order as a combination.
Ti = 5 = Preferred function for the 5w4.
Ne = w4 = 4w3 Preferred function Ne.
Fi = w6 = 6w7 Preferred function Fi.
Se = 7w6's = Point of Stress 7w6's Preferred function = Se.
Fe = 5w4's fourth/ Lest preferred function fourth function = Fe.
Fe = 8w9's preferred function Fe.
Note six actions.
I think for the 5w4 So/Sx/Sp the order of the six variant heads is:
Ti = So/Sx
Ne = Sx/Sp
Fi = Sp/So
Se = So/Sp
Fe = Sp/Sx
Fe = Sx/So
In my model the point of integration is also the point of neurosis for the type, this example is for the 5w4 So/Sx who's Point of Integration/Neurosis is at Point:8 , 8w9. In the example the neurotic energy will be Ti-Fe the Ti comes from the first preference of the 5 energy in the 5w4 So/Sx and the Fe comes from the first preference from the 8w9's first function.
The moron factor for the INTP comes from the fourth preferred preference from the mood wing 6w7/ ISFP coupled with the excitement from the point of integration/neurosis for the 5w4 the 8w9/ ESFJ and the fourth preference Sensing (Si) from the Auxiliary wing 4w3/ ENFP (Si).
Because the displays are often emotionally expressed it is ok to think of the moronic like episodes as also being the crippled guy factor, because all of a sudden after some short use of Fe and imagination suddenly at a party the 5w4 INTP can with out a dancing lesson, instantly in there own minds can dace like Fred Astaire even to rap music.
The 5w4 INTP needs to pay more attention to balancing Ne and Fi with the over utilised Ti, by balancing the Ne agenda wing component properly with the Fi mood component properly with the leading Ti function they and spear those on the dance flour having to suffer physiologically by having to witness there strange dance moves.
02-16-2016, 11:27 AM #55
I have been thinking about the question How dose extreme stress affect enneagram?
I think extreme stress can take one of eight paths. The eight paths can be divided in to two category's positive extreme stress and negative extreme stress.
A ninth is the transformative state a Bias free personal state (Stress - Trance-Ended) stress transformed to its optimum natural productive state aligned with. The Workings Of The Law Of Three.
A curious thought is, how closely aligned is the big five with this dynamic. I have not thought about this basically because I have not taken a real interest in the big five, but if the big five.
The eight parts relate to three Points for all eighteen basic personality types. The Point Energy and the the two wings. The Point energy is the passive and true neutral (the ninth) and the eight pertain to mood and agenda mood and agenda both positive and negative four actions for each of the two relating subtype energies working with each of the nine points of the enneagram.
E.g. For the two type nines the structure has one neutral or passive the passive is when one of the eight options are active the neutral becomes active but remains neutral when selfs Presence Is Aware Of The Greater (Host) greater nature in the context of of having actively made the law of three happen within in the moment, this what is meant by an active neutral. It remains neutral because the self always remains passive unto greater nature Host is indomitable. Active is passive passive is neutral in my language. The ninth option is experiential and only understood if it has been experienced by self as the observer.
The eight is a simple structure. Two Sets Of Four, mood and agenda and mood and agenda In the positive mode and negative mode.
The example 9w8 and 9w1
For the 9w8 Point eight is agenda and Point one is mood when Self has located more of the essential self the Point:9 becomes the deeper implicate of Self as actualised. The first step towards reclaimed authentic hole Self as nine points equally active, at one with what is. The what is is what hosts greater nature Universe Alive and Self Aware.
For the 9w1 Point one is agenda and Point eight is mood, The first step towards reclaimed authentic hole Self as nine points equally active, at one with what is. The what is is what hosts greater nature Universe Alive and Self Aware.
So as you can understand know there are Nine components one is an authentic low stress option there for there are nine low stress components within this structure that are receptive states unto witnessing Host in its non benign state detectable naturally via perception active observation.
90 + 180 = 270 , 90 short of 360.
A zero a seven a two "host". "Man" a zero a six a three.
02-19-2016, 08:44 PM #56
02-20-2016, 06:54 AM #57
KitchenFly's laboratory for the exploration of number patterns
Exporting the sub conches mechanisms of type is something that is intriguing to me (fear kelt) or (a empathic utilisation with a component of an subsidiary wing?) not shore, makes me curious seems more usual to my lazy mind.
But anyway the Severn with six witch utilises Ni & Ni from the 6w5 and the 7w8. Stress factor one of eight is this the using of SP instinct?
Not shore but exploring the weave that I have been advised dose not exist seems to be more interesting the listening to the written words of the person stating such dose not exist.
Gets me thinking,, why would a 5w4 who via fix design dork at such a view point? Could it be because to do so would concisely require the self to have some understand of the lens of witch would empower the 5w4 to conches ly look though via to see and appreciate such a level of the human condition an aspect of minds mechanical operation.
As a primary type a 9 , 9w1 I utilise 7w6 mostly at a congenial level mostly via the SO instinctual drive but what energies are there to be mastered or to be empowered by if the six instinctual variant heads were to embraced by self proactively conches ly and selflessly?
Thought to be thought.
I chose not to embrace Socionics because I do not have a correct and full understanding of many parts within the system I am still finding the true paths of operation.
I think I understand that Scocionics takes a four dimensional view of the byfication of the duality of both the primary and secondary functions and if so well that all good but first thing first.
If you look in some of my first posts you will see that one the top thinkers in the the Scocionics model handed to in appreciation some primary parts to my structure.
I was spot on and interesting. But I have my work to do and your roll is to meet your needs one of witch is to engage in interpersonal control for you ID's symbiotic satisfaction to actualise self.
First look at the SP Severn with six and eight and then think, if I wish to honestly engage with a 9w1w8 Sx/Sp how and witch of the 108 lens structure should I approach via in mind to authentically synergies with the 9w1w8 Sx/Sp. all types are early approachable it the self spits it attention 1/2 on self via virtue and the other 1/2 via receptivity via social value.
When I attended Hale school in Perth WA. In grade four in the third term and though grade five I thought myself to recognise the basic structure, the phonetics, and demonstrated a mastery of the language. That was my private victory.
While attending Doubleview primary school As a remedial student I was asked or told I had to give a performance in front of the hole school and all the teacher as a task and I could do easy thing I wanted I chose no to do anything. But as I walked on to the stage to wing it, I stood there with nothing to do spelt the shock embraced the second shock and gained clarity as the final shock set in and as I looked out I began to describe the phycological basic view from each of the teachers primary instinctive lens one day one sequentially each person in the hall was amazed at the level of observational truth I was articulating without causing harm to the emotional body of the individual.
The revolt an enquiry from a representative of the a section of the education department. An interview. Because no one had ever witnessed such an action that was receptively embraced by all who had witnessed it.
The Law of three is real and the structures of mind are never really hidden from self if self finds the key to a seas the view to see that lay visible to be understood.
Now you may not relate to my work and I may not have the same capacity to activate that part of minds view I chose to trade of, but I have understanding that remain and though the MBTI and enneagram I can make y way to understanding those structures I cauldron view instinctively and naturally via free will.
By grade seven after recognising other's were incapable of braking free of the egoic mask that held them fixated I lost interest and moved on to integrating the mundane my pears were preoccupied with.
If I was to teach a drafted curriculum designed to teach people to manifest the phycological maturity to authentically synergies proactively I would teach the phonics so to say of such a structure and mirror the empathic logic.
It's al quite simple when the basics are honoured. But you @CognitiveLiberty have your own thoughts.
Now that I have served you your higher self I request of you to simply FO.
02-20-2016, 05:06 PM #58
KitchenFly's laboratory for the exploration of number patterns
Type's 3's and 6's and 9's are primary types and they have subsidiary wings. The two type three's have a Point:5 and Point:1 as there two subsidiary wings.
Types's 1's, 2's, 4's, 5's, 7's, and 8's are secondary types and they don't have subsidiary wings like the primary types do.
The primary types are more aware off and place more consideration upon the three primary actions of considering the inner actions of Sensing from the hart centre (type three's), Feeling from the head centre (type six's), relating from the gut centre (type nine's) when taking others action into consideration.
We're as the secondary types are more focused on primarily negotiating via actualising via projecting via the three influential drives of supper ego negotiating via 1's and 2's, Id 4's and 5's, ego 7's and 8's.
The sets of variations overlap because Points 3, 7, and 8 belong primarily to the ego drive. Points 6, 1, and 2 belong primarily to the supper ego drive. And Points 9, 4, and 5 belong primarily to the Id drive.
1. "If I'm not perfect, I will not live up to my family name."
The line between 1 and 7 at the instinctive level. type:3 Sp/So.
2. "I have an unrealistic vision of an idealized self, and I need to be perfect to achieve it."
Fe -- Si -- Ne
3. "I don't celebrate my achievements. I criticize myself for what I don't achieve."
Line 1 to 4 at the instinctive level.
4. "I'm tired of blaming myself, but I don't believe in blaming other people. I try to blame my perfectionism, but then I realize it's my fault after all."
Sp Point:1 /So Point:8 relate thing Point:9. Line 3 to 9.
5. "I am ruthless to myself when I fail. I am a bad person if I make a mistake, in any area of life."
Line between Points 4 and 2. Self-Image Point:3.
6. "The only way to combat my lazy nature is to work myself to death."
Influence of subsidiary wings 5 and 1 lines between 5-7 and 1-4 influenced by Point of stress Point:9.
7. "People were very hurtful to me when I was young, so I work to be perfect in order to prove to them that I have changed."
Wings 2 and 4.
8. "If I want to achieve my dreams, I cannot make any mistakes."
SP -Self Preservation, Instinctual energy.
9. "I have built my entire identity on the things I achieve. When I do not do these things perfectly, then I lose myself."
Sp/So/Sx losing the balance from inner completeness of the team work Instinctual triangle Points (-2-5-8-) the Instinctual triangle preferred is The Personal (-1-7-4-).
10. "All love is based on performance. If I perform perfectly, I will get more love than if I had not."
Possibly 3w2w4 energy. Counterbalancing overcompensation from the inner Sp/Sx/So energy.
11. "My perfectionism is rooted in inferiority. I am naturally worse than other people, so I have to be perfect."
Mood wing, - Point:4.
12. "Life is a ladder. Whenever I perform badly, I am knocked down a rung."
Sx from Sp/So/Sx (Sx/sense/Sp) seesaw Points:4/3/2.
13. "I have to make up for all the years I didn't do well by being perfect."
So from Sp/So/Sx (So/feel/Sx) seesaw Points:7/6/5.
14. "I need to prove to myself and the world that I can do well."
Point: 3 - The passion.
15. "I would rather have a false sense of accomplishment than a very real sense of failure."
The Passion at Point:3 Deceit.
16. "Being kind to myself leads to laziness. I must hate myself in order to do well."
02-21-2016, 05:07 PM #59
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Thinking vs Feeling
It's a good question and a tricky question to explain. Why? Because of the complexities involved. I don't want to even attempt to explain my view but I will touch on it by attempting to address the subject.
I think there several forms of thinking and several forms of feeling. And in a sense there are 36 forums of each. Why 36? Because there are 18 Subtypes and there is an I and E always associated with each function.
36 T and 36 F even though 18 maybe thought of as being hidden within the shadow unexpressed directly though subtype type energy. The act of T or F involves both I and E in its benign raw action. So you could say there are 45 T expressions and 45 F expressions. 118 including N and S and 120 including the two ambidextrous components but if a single letter was to decried the two additional then it would remain 118 components.
But basically feeling has three tones and thinking also has three tones each tone is generated by the three different key's of the influencing triad pitch so to say.
At the simpler level of the MBTI form of feeling and thinking.
I perceive feeling to be observational orientated led primarily, followed by response as reaction if expression is need in reply to what has been perceived observed or witnessed.
I perceive thinking to be an inner personal analytical disruptive led cognitive orientated observational process, followed by response as reaction if expression is need in reply to what has been perceived observed or witnessed.
Thinking seems to be predominantly computation or complexity orientated and feeling seems to be predominantly observation or observed orientated.
Quantity of that of which is in minds view vs values of that of witch is in minds view. Thinking.
Quanta of the volume observed of that of which is in mind view. Feeling
So with a view of 36 components or 45 components or a in alI total of 118 components it shore is tricky to distinguish and understand correct meaning within the flux of such a complex multiplicity. So many frequency expressive values.
That my take on it if I get down to the nitty gritty of it all.
An interesting abstract though comes to mind. It the 118 is thought of in a context of being influenced by three triad pitches then the number becomes 354.
I forget exactly how manny acid there are in the brain but I think the number is 368 acids.
So that's kinda an interesting thought because there is a number gap of 14 between the number values 354 and 368, if 368 is correct.
Sense think feel is related to the triads and the making of the law of three happen within of witch produces intuitions of a spiritual order.
So the number 14 that is the gap number may relate to intuitions of a spiritual order if there is any substance to the lateral thinking idea I have intuitively generated from the idea of, what would the value purpose be,for the 14 units remaining.
02-22-2016, 02:29 PM #60
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Seems like you are trying to correlate and combine all kinds of theories and information in order to create your own theory and understanding of things which, when translated into words and posted on forums makes no sense to everyone else. Even crazier is that you have been busy with this for 25 years.
Your confusing posts are all over the internet, with your first MBTI/Enneagram correlation article (which you also post everywhere) being posted all the way back in 2007. Which was the same year you quit your business in Australia? :P
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