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    Quote Originally Posted by KitchenFly View Post
    An empathic response , words in texts do limit understandings of others.

    I was thinking you were fearful and that you maybe fearful that the program EPP would not work in a way that ser potted the social security of law abiding citizens.

    Anyway perhaps it was pore judgment on my behalf to have responded to your post as I have.

    My apologies if I have unsettled you in anyway. You are correct it is an individual invitation, to consider ser porting the EPP project or not, I was partly over enthusiastic about the idea.
    No, I think you're fine and the program is fine. Believe it or not, I'm a pretty private person. I like to think these things through and over-analyze before I act. I do have a heart to help people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinny-Love View Post
    Many of the folks in prison appear to be beyond repair. The evidence is in their lack of self-control over primitive impulses; cutting and biting on themselves and others like wild animals. I couldn't believe the gruesome things I saw on the TV program Lockup. No matter how good their intentions, many of the prisoners ended up back in prison within a few weeks of release. They couldn't function in a civilized manner in society like the rest of us. Even though I didn't see much effort going towards rehabilitation, there are some issues I don't believe can be rehabilitated without intervention from God almighty.
    I'm going to guess that you've certainly never spent a minute in jail or that you've never actually talked to people who are in, or have been in prison for much time.

    Lockup is NOT an accurate portrayal of prison... like all programs of its genre it's drama quotient is artificially boosted to gain and retain viewers

    Most people are in prison because they've made some bad decisions, often because they didn't feel that they had many other choices available to them. Programs like substance abuse treatment, GED or associates degree programs, counseling for those with anger management and impulse control issues would be of great assistance. Probably the best way to prevent recidivism would be to make sure that someone had a job waiting for them when they got out and a good place to live within their income level... sadly, programs to prevent return are usually underfunded.

    Though I think that the enneagram prison program isn't the most effective use of money for prison education at least it's a step in the right direction
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitchenFly View Post
    Energy follows thought [...]
    Abso-friggin-lutely. (The rest of your post was too idealistic for me, but knock yourself out.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Abso-friggin-lutely. (The rest of your post was too idealistic for me, but knock yourself out.)
    The eye sees only that the mind is prepared to comprehend.
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    Default The Enneagram Prison Project

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I'm going to guess that you've certainly never spent a minute in jail or that you've never actually talked to people who are in, or have been in prison for much time.
    I haven't.

    Lockup is NOT an accurate portrayal of prison... like all programs of its genre it's drama quotient is artificially boosted to gain and retain viewers

    Most people are in prison because they've made some bad decisions, often because they didn't feel that they had many other choices available to them. Programs like substance abuse treatment, GED or associates degree programs, counseling for those with anger management and impulse control issues would be of great assistance. Probably the best way to prevent recidivism would be to make sure that someone had a job waiting for them when they got out and a good place to live within their income level... sadly, programs to prevent return are usually underfunded.


    Though I think that the enneagram prison program isn't the most effective use of money for prison education at least it's a step in the right direction
    I was curious about that. Thanks for replying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I thought this was kind of fascinating. This program is designed to help people who are in prison to understand why they are there, pinpoint patterns of feeling and doing, using the Enneagram to help facilitate that process. Basically, they are using it to support self development and transformation in inmates.

    Any thoughts on this?

    There is a short video on this page.


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    Susan Olesek is doing amazing work. I first taught in the prison system 20 years ago. It was a deeply touching experience as they truly wanted to know and understand what their types they were and the resulting gifts and struggles would be. The class is optional and self-selecting so it is the cream of the crop. So only those that truly want to attend do so the experience is magical. It taught me that I wanted to teach the Enneagram everywhere I could.

    I recently worked alongside Susan in the men's facility in Santa Clara County. She was tough and tender while gently guiding the attendees to make a decision with an open and loving heart. Just my style too. They were amazing men.

    We are going back to work with the women. Once trust is established I am always struck by the depth of sincerity, openness and honesty. They talk about how they better understand their children and families and why they made the choices they did. It is heart work and very rewarding. So I can't say enough about EPP and will be a part of taking this work internationally.

    It is a truly worthy cause that needs your help. Right now the prison systems do not offer transitional places to stay. When they get out and are released there is no support to help them recreate themselves, learn the latest trends and begin anew. Susan is working on making progress that will give these well intended souls jobs and a halfway house to find their footing...she has the panache to make this happen. I don't say much but when I do, I really mean what I say. Please help in anyway you can, how ever small and share with others that might be able to help or know those that can. It is a non-profit so all donations are tax deductible. There is a Facebook fan page to follow what is happening.... We would all be happy to share with you any questions you may have...

    Ok, and I forgot to mention that we mentor those that are newly released with a a one on one coach of the same Enneagram Type. It is very rewarding work.

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    Dude nails it at ~1:48. The main revelation that comes from typology is that people actually do think and act in different ways. Door opens from there.

    Glad to hear of the success story of this 7-man.
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