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[Traditional Enneagram] How many 4's do you know in real life?

How many 4's do you know IRL? Count only those you are pretty sure (90%) are 4's.

  • One or less.

    Votes: 13 37.1%
  • Three or less.

    Votes: 15 42.9%
  • Five or less.

    Votes: 7 20.0%
  • Ten or less.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ten or more.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    35

small.wonder

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I have wondered about this from time to time, about many types (perhaps I'll have to follow up this poll for every other type too). I started keeping a spreadsheet of the types of all the people I know about two years ago, and I wonder if the results here will agree somewhat with my numbers?

Make sure you are fairly sure the person in question is a 4, leave people you are unsure about out of the tally.

Thanks! :)
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Update: I just realized the poll options are a little confusing, I meant them to read:
1 or less
2-3
4-5
5-10
10+
[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION], could you edit that in the poll (or let me know how I can)?
 

brainheart

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One intimately, one a distant acquaintance. I'm 100% sure on both of them. (Should I answer one or three on your poll?)
 

Qlip

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I know 4, as in they're people I'd feel comfortable calling up and having coffee with. My good INFP friend is one, I met an ENFP 4 so through a typology site out here and she 'collects' artistic types, so I've had contact with many 4's through her, but only really call one other of them somebody I 'know'. I hung out with an INFP meetup group and know another 4 through that.

I've tried making friends with two other ENFP 4's, but both of them ended up just completely disappearing off the face of the earth.
 

small.wonder

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[MENTION=22480]brainheart[/MENTION] Ah, I'm always so glad to see you back. :) Two would fall into the "less than three" option (I'll edit the options so that's less confusing). Thanks for chiming in, I hope your artwork is going well (I've procrastinated mine like all heck)!

Thanks [MENTION=10714]Qlip[/MENTION]! Yeah, I suppose knowing someone like your collector of creatives would increase the amount of 4's you know. I have had to be extra careful in creative circles about typing though, people I once thought might be 4's (after knowing them better and introducing them to Enneagram) turned out to be 4-fixed 6's or 9's. I suppose typing is that delicate regardless of the type in question.

Thanks for your input! :)
 

senza tema

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With 90% confidence? One, maybe, but not even him, really, at least I am not that sure.
 

OrangeAppled

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I know many more 4s online than in person, and I suppose that's a testament to most being quite withdrawn. IRL, there is one person besides myself that I'd confidently type as a 4. Maybe 3 people if I count my aunt & childhood best friend, but I cannot confidently type them. Some people from a distance can seem 4, but I cannot say for sure as I don't really know them. Still not sure if my ex INFJ is 3 or 4.

I know a few INFPs where it's hard to say if they are 4 or 9, but I lean towards 9 if there is doubt, because I think 9s could be mistaken for 4s but it's less likely a 4 would be mistaken for a 9 (mainly because I think 9s can have a melancholy air more than people think, but 4s are unlikely to exude the "humble servant" air).

I wouldn't say I know more than 5, but probably know more than 1, so I went with the 2-3 option.
 

Redbone

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Only two others besides myself.
 

chickpea

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when I think about it... actually only one. a friend of mine who self-typed as 4w3 after reading my enneagram book. probs sp/so if I had to guess. but I can't think of anyone else that i know well enough to type as 4. we are such rare special snowflakes. ;)

i think most of my friends/acquaintances are 6s, 7s and 9s.
 

small.wonder

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[MENTION=6561]OrangeAppled[/MENTION] Yes, I think many 9's tend to see themselves quite a bit in the 4 description before settling on their correct type. I know several who have said as much, and an old 9w8 roommate who swore she was a 4 until I moved in with her (haha). I think your tendency to assume 9 for other INFP's makes sense, as I think (from reading and my own research) that 9 is much more common, at least in the western world.

[MENTION=7991]chickpea[/MENTION] I have a lot of 7 and 9 in my life as well, but the front runners on my spreadsheet are 3 and 2 followed by 6 (in that order).

I find it fascinating and hilarious that only 4's have commented on this so far. ;) I'm curious how well other types think they can spot a 4 IRL. [MENTION=4]cafe[/MENTION] [MENTION=4945]EJCC[/MENTION] [MENTION=18819]five sounds[/MENTION] [MENTION=6643]Fluffywolf[/MENTION] [MENTION=6109]Halla74[/MENTION] [MENTION=16139]Honor[/MENTION] [MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION] [MENTION=71]JAVO[/MENTION] [MENTION=7]Jennifer[/MENTION] [MENTION=20955]johnnyyukon[/MENTION] [MENTION=4324]Kasper[/MENTION] [MENTION=4939]kyuuei[/MENTION] [MENTION=5418]Lady_X[/MENTION] [MENTION=5159]Lexicon[/MENTION] [MENTION=13589]Mal12345[/MENTION] [MENTION=5999]PeaceBaby[/MENTION] [MENTION=10496]skylights[/MENTION] [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] [MENTION=21805]Tem[/MENTION] [MENTION=4515]wolfy[/MENTION] [MENTION=14015]Urarienev[/MENTION]
 

indra

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Seventy-nine hundred thousand

I think it's just the trait I notice most in others, really.
 

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Besides 4's I have 7's in my life, a 6 and a 9. For me I can tell the difference between 4's 6's and 9's irl like night and day, but I am a 469 and my ex was a INFP 9. 3w4s smell very funny. There was a 5w4 or a 4w5 I was very unsure of, that's the only time I was a bit confused.
 

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I find it fascinating and hilarious that only 4's have commented on this so far. ;) I'm curious how well other types think they can spot a 4 IRL.
I know about three 4's in real life. I'm 5w4 myself, so they're easy to spot. :) They're one of the types I tend to prefer as friends. But, they also tend to be more obvious online where they can express their four-ness more explicitly.
 
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[MENTION=6561]OrangeAppled[/MENTION] Yes, I think many 9's tend to see themselves quite a bit in the 4 description before settling on their correct type. I know several who have said as much, and an old 9w8 roommate who swore she was a 4 until I moved in with her (haha). I think your tendency to assume 9 for other INFP's makes sense, as I think (from reading and my own research) that 9 is much more common, at least in the western world.

[MENTION=7991]chickpea[/MENTION] I have a lot of 7 and 9 in my life as well, but the front runners on my spreadsheet are 3 and 2 followed by 6 (in that order).

I find it fascinating and hilarious that only 4's have commented on this so far. ;) I'm curious how well other types think they can spot a 4 IRL. [MENTION=20955]johnnyyukon[/MENTION]

What's a 4 like? INFP? Is that like, an idealist head in the clouds artsy type?

If so, I know a guy that, while I don't think he's that artsy, he likes to think he is. He must be in the unhealthy range cuz he's got his head so far up his ass it's remarkable.

I think part of it has to do with the obscene amounts of weed he smokes. Like, if I smoked that much, it would probably be the first marijuana OD death in history.

I've lived with him for a total of 3 years, trust fund kid. I got the very strong feeling his identity was "pothead" and he was/is very proud of it. Always talking about pot, how great it is, how you should smoke a lot everyday, and so on. Laziest guy I've ever known. More or less lived in his recliner with the bong in his lap.

I feel kinda bad cuz I got him to smoke for the first time. Oh well.

Much of that obviously comes from having tons of money, so therefore no ambition, in his case anyway.

Sorry such a negative example! I could be wrong about the 4 tho.

I was in a design school with a lot of creative people, many VERY talented, and probably placed a lot of their identity into their art. I'm sure a lot were 4s.
 

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One, and two of my cousins are maybes. So, voting for one.
 

Totenkindly

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I can think of 2-3. That's all at the moment, although I didn't really wrack my brain.

I know more INFPs IRL than that, but e9 shows up a lot, not e4.
 

kyuuei

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I find it fascinating and hilarious that only 4's have commented on this so far. ;) I'm curious how well other types think they can spot a 4 IRL.

Oh jeeze.. I don't know if I truly know any irl. I must know at least one.. but the truth is, I can ID fellow 8s, and 7s with a bit less struggle.. but typing all those other types completely opposite of me? Not so great at it. :/
 

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this is making me wonder if people who know me irl would even type me as a 4 if they knew about enneagram. hmmmm.
 

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I know of one. He maybe a 5w4, but even so, I'm sure he's a 4. Thinks I'm just socially awkward. :rotfl:

Oh the things I didn't write in my biography.
 
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