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    Quote Originally Posted by cm81 View Post
    I asked about getting tied results.
    Yes, it is entirely possible. However, what test did you take? (please provide link.) There may be better tests that will provide you more insight.

    On the whole IN/EN thing...I'm only 11% introverted, and just as narrow on the T/F.
    No offense, but by definition, that would make you an extrovert. What makes you self-type as introverted instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Are you also switching posts around?

    I'm running so terribly late which many theorists don't believe is possible for the ENFP 7 but I'm defying the odds somehow. I promise to come ruroback to this. With an interpreter.

    Chanaynay is the ENFP 7. And I'm damn good and well the INFJ self preserving 7. If you bring an interpreter, get a PhD. I'm intrigued by you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Are you also switching posts around?

    I'm running so terribly late which many theorists don't believe is possible for the ENFP 7 but I'm defying the odds somehow. I promise to come ruroback to this. With an interpreter.

    Chanaynay is the ENFP 7. And I'm damn good and well the INFJ self preserving 7. If you bring an interpreter, get a PhD. I'm intrigued by you.

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    cm81: IME, it's not uncommon for people to not be able to figure out their enneatype right away. It's not even that uncommon for people to feel fairly certain they are one type- to openly identify with it, often going on tangents about how they see that aspect in themselves, only to later realize they are actually a different type; this is true of both mbti and enneagram. Something that nailed it in for me- and others have made the same claim- is reading through the enneagram description's behaviors under stress. But mostly I think it's just in repeated exposure to the information- sooner or later, one type will resonate the most.

    As far as being an e7 INFJ- I'm going to chime in and agree that it's very unlikely. I don't like to say "never" about certain combinations- but I when I hear someone claim to be one of the most unlikely combinations, part of me can't help but suspect they just haven't figured it out yet. It's hard enough to believe from people who have a somewhat thorough mastery of both systems- and can explain exactly why they believe they are that unlikely combination. Even with a convincing understanding of both systems, there's still a good chance their claim will be met with opposition (not because people are being antagonistic, but rather because they're simply trying to make sense of information that doesn't seem likely). So don't take it personally. It actually is a very unlikely combination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    cm81: IME, it's not uncommon for people to not be able to figure out their enneatype right away. It's not even that uncommon for people to feel fairly certain they are one type- to openly identify with it, often going on tangents about how they see that aspect in themselves, only to later realize they are actually a different type; this is true of both mbti and enneagram. Something that nailed it in for me- and others have made the same claim- is reading through the enneagram description's behaviors under stress. But mostly I think it's just in repeated exposure to the information- sooner or later, one type will resonate the most.

    As far as being an e7 INFJ- I'm going to chime in and agree that it's very unlikely. I don't like to say "never" about certain combinations- but I when I hear someone claim to be one of the most unlikely combinations, part of me can't help but suspect they just haven't figured it out yet. It's hard enough to believe from people who have a somewhat thorough mastery of both systems- and can explain exactly why they believe they are that unlikely combination. Even with a convincing understanding of both systems, there's still a good chance their claim will be met with opposition (not because people are being antagonistic, but rather because they're simply trying to make sense of information that doesn't seem likely). So don't take it personally. It actually is a very unlikely combination.
    If I could choose for myself, it I'd have chosen to be an ENFP. A type I admire, and resonate loudly with... but I can't claim to be anything else. I made a mental draft --after having already responded to Starry, and had to leave for a class-- of an analogy for how I feel I'm being misread. Or how the information I'm giving is being read. As a child who tells a story, on paper, of observing a dog. The dog is a "little puppy", it has lots of energy, it likes to bark if you get it excited. The child loves that dog. The paper,for whatever reason, maybe the kid wants to tell the story...maybe they just jotted it down for the sake of getting it out there. Another walks along, never having met that child, probably having never seen [I]that[I] dog, but reads the story. They see the energetic LITTLE dog, and perhaps they envision the bark as a yap (Jack Russell's are excellent candidates for a yapectomy). Maybe they're well read on dog breads. They're certain the dog is a Jack Russell! A good kid dog! But the dog is an Australian Shepard! Not prone to barking, unless it gets excited and feels permitted to "speak". It's certainly a sturdy fellow, that can be said to have boundless energy. But the dog is also prone to retreating until its sense of duty and loyalty calls it back. And it enjoys that structure. And it enjoys the freedom to play..or be left alone once in awhile. The reader has instead imagined a dog that is always energetic, a perception of most children, and therefore the most likely dog. Starry mentioned bringing an interpreter along. I'd suggest a PhD, if it doesn't insult their intelligence. And any good scientist knows you have to compare the results to what is real. Well, in this case, I being a human, who recognizes that I am being misunderstood, and worse, through very limited responses and a parameter that, while, may have some evidence, is still in the grand scheme, very much subjective. The scene in Sixteen Candles comes to mind, when Caroline is drunk:

    Jake: That's me.

    Caroline: Who are you?

    Jake: I'm him.

    Caroline: Oh, okay.

    Except that I'm quite sober. I do enjoy learning how to improve upon myself, but in order have gotten where I am now, I've had years of introspection and experiences, and intentional personal development. And I've decided to roll with it. If you, or starry feel the need to validate (this is not an attack, it's an invitation, for your own benefit, if it's really that important to you) your thoughts or to build your own understanding of what's possible, then feel free. But you forgot to ask questions! And no one explained anything, or better yet, check back with me to see if I, knowing myself better than anyone, agree with their assumptions. Did they guess it right.... so far, no.

    I didn't take these test to find myself; I took them to see if they were right. Again, and I do not like repetition, but for the benefit of someone out there who will be willing to understand, I'll repeat my original question, in better words (I hope). Okay, so I'm rare. REMOVE ME FROM THE EQUATION ENTIRELY for a minute! Is it possible to accurately tie on this test? Especially when my perception lead to have to choose a certain answer, not because I actually agreed with either--fully, or because it was the best fit, but because... what I identify with, or would have done/typically do/think/feel.... wasn't there, and if I was shallow. But for the sake of breaking that tie, retook the test, answering all (letting things slide in order to choose an answer if I could imagine myself not achieving a particular thing on my own merit IN SPITE OF DESIRE to interconnect with others--unless finding them vapid and stalemate while I myself am very much driven) and thus, the 7. I took the test again today, after having a wonderful, calm day and a full nights sleep. These are my enneagram results:


    Type 1:3 Type 2:5 Type 3:3 Type 4:4 Type 5:5 Type 6:4 Type 7:6 Type 8:1 Type 9:4


    My MBTI has largely been performed by professionals, or in professional environments rather than your average online test. (But I did take one or two for fun) I'm 11% introverted (I used to be much more, a lot of discipline and self discovery... and healing from certain traumas has helped me come out of my shell. Even though at times, I'm actually positioning myself so that others will come to me ) And I'm right over the line of T/F.

    There ya go. And already having been well acquainted and sober about my strengths, weaknesses and tendencies. (Even though things like confrontation and being doubted SUCK enough to make me want to say EFF it, if it doesn't make me want to hurl or throw my lunch, I find it equally important to be understood) I've made amends with Chananay. And if Starry, or you, or anyone else wants to bring an interpreter into this, go for it, but only if your real intentions are to understand. I myself am great long time friends/family with a few psychologists, (some earning or have earned PhDs in the field), and a couple of them feel these tests to be completely flawed and therefore completely subjective, and therefore without merit. Having come back to these such things YEARS later, with a new scope of insight and self introspection and a great deal of self awareness and understanding, to see if the tests were at all accurate, not caring about percentages or what is considered rare, and therefore possible, I agree, resolutely, with the INFJ... I don't LIKE a lot of the 7, because it's an exposure of what I consider a few flaws--me at my absolute worst. (that I'm working on that stuff, and if I'm addicted to anything, it's chocolate and adrenaline). *I* am possible. And I am here. So, if I truly am apart of this mysterious 1%, be apart of an opportunity to understand one. Life is beautiful, it is short, and the only thing that anyone who intends to live well should ever take this seriously is love.

    I have a friend, she's my first cousin, who is also, I think ridiculously, into astrology. She's what you would rightfully call an expert. According to her calculations, I'm a Capricorn, with a Leo rising and a moon in Taurus. (And I have aspects --whatever the heck those are-- in Aquarius, Taurus and pieces and Scorpio and Leo's and Libras all over the place...) She drew up my chart and laughed at me, "I always knew you were a walking contradiction". True as that statement might have been, I feel that astrology is a pseudo science, preferring to go the source, rather than the positioning of stars. The only thing they share with me is the fact that they're there (and I argue, that they share the same creator).

    So there you have it! I'm not angry, and I'm not confronting, but I have a sincere dislike for having to lace everything with disclaimers. (I felt like a chicken trying to convince a heron that I'm a bird lol)

    This is the most open I will ever be. Ask me questions, don't label me. It's time for me to retreat.

    But first, a song! "Que bonita es esta vida" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQWrN4ETI2A

    Se, se que el tiempo lleva prisa, pa' borrarme de la lista, pero yo le digo que.
    Ay ay ay ay, que bonita es esta vida
    y aunque no sea para siempre
    si la vivo con mi gente
    es bonita hasta la muerte con canciones y tequila.
    Last edited by cm81; 11-04-2014 at 12:38 AM. Reason: got the astrology wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm81 View Post


    I didn't come, again, and I do not like repetition, but for the benefit of someone out there who will be willing to understand, I'll repeat my original question, in better words (I hope). Okay, so I'm rare. REMOVE ME FROM THE EQUATION ENTIRELY! Is it possible to accurately tie on this test?
    Ah, okay- so you weren't looking for any input about YOUR type, you want to know if it's possible to be two different enneatypes (like, influenced equally by both)?

    (If yes,) I suspect that's not uncommon either, to feel equally influenced by two different types.

    [And I don't mean to frustrate you, only to help make others' comments more understandable- if you truly believe you are INFJ e7, then you should absolutely explore that and be able to come to your own conclusions about it- but it does sort of cause a "wait....what?" reaction. I can see why they were distracted by it, though I'm sorry it frustrated you to feel misunderstood? ]
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm81 View Post
    So, you misdiagnosed a single angle. That's the problem of only seeing what's on a page, projecting your own ideas of what something should look like in your very limited vision--with almost no data, aside from witnessing an incredibly veiled misunderstanding between two people; humans are not that linear. Beyond this ultracrepadarianism are very complex beings. You can not convince me I am anything other than what I am, or whether or not I see myself correctly; and to assume that position, dear stranger, is straight up insulting. I'm breathing; I know who I am, I didn't come here doubting or to figure it out. I came here to learn, about someone else and found a couple labels; and a lot of inaccuracies. I'm tired of this thread; you've mistaken planets from the stars. Btw, I never said a thing about a 6. Or a 1
    I'm starting to type this prior to even knowing how to explain what I now want so badly for you to understand. But I've sat here for a while now with this ache getting no where in my mind and I'm running out of time again before I need to go.

    What I bolded above...that's Fi's starting point. That is all already understood. I sometimes hurt when I read descriptions of Fe which is where the ache comes from that I describe above. To the best of what I can grasp out of thin air I imagine a sense of feeling compelled to meet the other half-way...that all must be balanced...that there must always exist a collective understanding...of all things including each individual perhaps - I don't know.

    We aren't like that. It is all individual understanding...each one of us an insulated island...and so we are not always as careful with what we say because we aren't imagining ourselves as over-stepping boundaries that don't really exist for us. I already know I can't take INFJ 7 from you.



    Quote Originally Posted by cm81 View Post
    Chanaynay is the ENFP 7. And I'm damn good and well the INFJ self preserving 7. If you bring an interpreter, get a PhD. I'm intrigued by you.

    This is the space where I understand the INFJ. And you absolutely had me at ultracrepadarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Ah, okay- so you weren't looking for any input about YOUR type, you want to know if it's possible to be two different enneatypes (like, influenced equally by both)?

    (If yes,) I suspect that's not uncommon either, to feel equally influenced by two different types.

    [And I don't mean to frustrate you, only to help make others' comments more understandable- if you truly believe you are INFJ e7, then you should absolutely explore that and be able to come to your own conclusions about it- but it does sort of cause a "wait....what?" reaction. I can see why they were distracted by it, though I'm sorry it frustrated you to feel misunderstood? ]
    AH! Yes, there is light! That is what I asked, yes And thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    I'm starting to type this prior to even knowing how to explain what I now want so badly for you to understand. But I've sat here for a while now with this ache getting no where in my mind and I'm running out of time again before I need to go.

    What I bolded above...that's Fi's starting point. That is all already understood. I sometimes hurt when I read descriptions of Fe which is where the ache comes from that I describe above. To the best of what I can grasp out of thin air I imagine a sense of feeling compelled to meet the other half-way...that all must be balanced...that there must always exist a collective understanding...of all things including each individual perhaps - I don't know.

    We aren't like that. It is all individual understanding...each one of us an insulated island...and so we are not always as careful with what we say because we aren't imagining ourselves as over-stepping boundaries that don't really exist for us. I already know I can't take INFJ 7 from you.






    This is the space where I understand the INFJ. And you absolutely had me at ultracrepadarianism.
    You know what, I noticed your Mizuta Masahide quote. You should watch Ashes and Snow; liquid poetry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm81 View Post
    You know what, I noticed your Mizuta Masahide quote. You should watch Ashes and Snow; liquid poetry.
    I love that you are the first person to acknowledge my signature quote haha. If you understood how this haiku sustains me you would know what your acknowledgement means. It is foremost to me the most profound description of the best of enneagram seven.
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