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    [QUOTE=SearchingforPeace;2551930]Seeker just means seeker. Mundane and or profound. Sure, unhealthy Seekers get lost and confused in ugly and pitiful ways. I hate being in full doubt mode. I much prefer the peaceful and content, but looking for higher knowledge mode when I am healthier.

    But the unhealthy mode helps us to question things we never questioned before and see better. It helps us break out of bad patterns and dynamics.



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    Searching for Peace, I figured you were probably a Nine from your name and what little I just read from you here. And now I see that you're not only a 9 but a 9w8. And since the MAIN 'deadly' of the 9 is narcosis, and synergiizing with the 8 wing there is a peculiar grounded unmovable stubborness around it, I have little doubt (no pun intended) that seeing yourself as a 'Seeker' is helpful to you, because it helps you to MOVE out of the entrenched inertia of that type/wing configuration.

    But it doesn't do that for most triple doubters because they're ALREADY moving. They're moving the way water moves in ripples when a stone is thrown into it. That is, in concentric circles going nowhere because of CONSTANT disruptions. Fluid, unsubstantial, HOPELESS movement to NOWHERE.

    My ex-husband is 9w1-4w3-6w7 sx/soc. Three close friends are 4w3-6w7-9w1 soc/sx, 9w1-6w7-4w5 sp/sx, and 9w8-6w7-4w5 sx/sp. With the last one, the EXTREME Fourishness due to the wing type of the 4 fix and the sx/sp stacking (and also the placement of the 4 fix as SOCIAL 4 if we want to ascribe tritype fix-stacking correlations by order of the fixes, which though it sounds implausible, in reality it actually seems to work) creates a VERY Fourish, a very WATERY, elusive 9w8.

    These people will 'seek' their way into a black hole FOREVER if they think of themselves primarily as Seekers, because it CONNOTES seekers after Truth...and they are flailing about like a fish on a hook over the SIMPLEST everyday occurrences. There is no QUEST. They're just lost in doubt.

    Again: ALL the Fauvre titles, that is the one-word labels for the tritypes, are insufficient. There are BETTER ways of characterizing these tritype combinations. And the proof of the pudding is that whatever Gurdjieff was, he was VERY far from 4-6-9, but he was a QUINTESSENTIAL seeker. And MANY more can be named who were quintessential seekers who were far from 4-6-9.

    Ergo, it is not the best label for the 4-6-9 tritype. Unless I'm mistaken and Gurdjieff was ALSO a triple doubter and triple sensitive. And aldo the Buddha. But they were probably an 8 and a 5, possibly both 3-fixed, and Gurdjieff definitely not 9-fixed.

    Please pay ATTENTION. I've tried to say that when people say they're the Seeker, they're thinking of Seeker After TRUTH. And in far more cases than not, it prevents them from seeing the severity of the problem. The connotations of the title Seeker, inherently GLORIFY a big PROBLEM.

    Again: you're a 9w8. Blessed be the non-conflict avoidant. You HAVE 8. Not to mention a very forceful, assertive stacking. Most triple doubters DON'T. Seeking answers to EVERYTHING doesn't HELP them because everything doesn't NEED to be questioned and to question everything is DANGEROUS for them.


    This is getting convoluted. I've stated the case clearly. If you think questioning EVERYTHING is really so fabulous, why don't you try questioning whether Seeker is really such a fabulous label to get stuck in the heads of people who are routinely PARALYZED by CRIPPLING doubt and whether there are in reality more people like that in the 4-6-9 tribe than people like you.
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    tbc, and in a nutshell, "Seeker" IMPLIES Seeker After Truth.

    The majority of 4-6-9s are not SWIMMING in a river toward the truth. They are DROWNING in a vortex of doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anastasiaromanova View Post
    Searching for Peace, I figured you were probably a Nine from your name and what little I just read from you here. And now I see that you're not only a 9 but a 9w8. And since the MAIN 'deadly' of the 9 is narcosis, and synergiizing with the 8 wing there is a peculiar grounded unmovable stubborness around it, I have little doubt (no pun intended) that seeing yourself as a 'Seeker' is helpful to you, because it helps you to MOVE out of the entrenched inertia of that type/wing configuration.

    But it doesn't do that for most triple doubters because they're ALREADY moving. They're moving the way water moves in ripples when a stone is thrown into it. That is, in concentric circles going nowhere because of CONSTANT disruptions. Fluid, unsubstantial, HOPELESS movement to NOWHERE.

    My ex-husband is 9w1-4w3-6w7 sx/soc. Three close friends are 4w3-6w7-9w1 soc/sx, 9w1-6w7-4w5 sp/sx, and 9w8-6w7-4w5 sx/sp. With the last one, the EXTREME Fourishness due to the wing type of the 4 fix and the sx/sp stacking (and also the placement of the 4 fix as SOCIAL 4 if we want to ascribe tritype fix-stacking correlations by order of the fixes, which though it sounds implausible, in reality it actually seems to work) creates a VERY Fourish, a very WATERY, elusive 9w8.

    These people will 'seek' their way into a black hole FOREVER if they think of themselves primarily as Seekers, because it CONNOTES seekers after Truth...and they are flailing about like a fish on a hook over the SIMPLEST everyday occurrences. There is no QUEST. They're just lost in doubt.

    Again: ALL the Fauvre titles, that is the one-word labels for the tritypes, are insufficient. There are BETTER ways of characterizing these tritype combinations. And the proof of the pudding is that whatever Gurdjieff was, he was VERY far from 4-6-9, but he was a QUINTESSENTIAL seeker. And MANY more can be named who were quintessential seekers who were far from 4-6-9.

    Ergo, it is not the best label for the 4-6-9 tritype. Unless I'm mistaken and Gurdjieff was ALSO a triple doubter and triple sensitive. And also the Buddha. But they were FAR from it.

    Please pay ATTENTION. I've tried to say that when people say they're the Seeker, they're thinking of Seeker After TRUTH. And in far more cases than not, it prevents them from seeing the severity of the problem. The connotations of the title Seeker, inherently GLORIFY a big PROBLEM.

    Again: you're a 9w8. Blessed be the non-conflict avoidant. You HAVE 8. Not to mention a very forceful, assertive stacking. Most triple doubters DON'T. Seeking answers to EVERYTHING doesn't HELP them because everything doesn't NEED to be questioned and to question everything is DANGEROUS for them.

    This is getting convoluted. I've stated the case clearly. If you think questioning EVERYTHING is really so fabulous, why don't you try questioning whether Seeker is really such a fabulous label to get stuck in the heads of people who are routinely PARALYZED by CRIPPLING doubt and whether there are in reality more people like that in the 4-6-9 tribe than people like you.
    I don't think questioning everything is fabulous. I really dislike it. I get lost questioning simple things, trying to make sense of others and myself when it isn't necessary. I hate doubt. I love faith. I don't mind uncertainty, really. I cried for 90 minutes when I discovered my tritype. It resonated too strongly with me.

    I have been to very very dark places and numbed myself to near oblivion. It sucks. But the dark night of the soul can help us see, at times, when we finally get out.

    I even question my tritype constantly. I thought I was a 6 core originally, but others helped me to see I am really a 9 that was just in disintegration. Glad I am not anymore. And I can be a fierce beast when the eight wing is engaged, for sure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Archilochus
    The fox knows many things--the hedgehog one big one.
    And I am not a hedgehog......

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    Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers" not "blessed are the conflict avoiders.....

    9w8 6w5 4w5 sx/so

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    “Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
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    Seeker After Peace,

    If you still question your tritype "constantly" may I suggest that you are a 9-leading triple doubter who is currently engaged in a 9-fueled project of positive reframing in order to avoid what is essential by being attached to the name Seeker for this triitype. And also that our little exchange reveals you to be a poster child for EXACTLY WHY that title--Seeker- is NOT the best word for this tritype. Not for you, not for ANYONE, and I was far too diplomatic about that. I also suggest that if you looked at this tritype as TRIPLE DOUBT, it might improve your life.

    And also that your initial defense of the 'Seeker' archetype because you find answers to questions that nobody else even knew existed is feeding a very hungry lsx/soc stack and 4 fix that will ultimately wind up devouring you. You are wasting time and energy obsessing on whether you're 9 or 6 leading when you probably already know: a) that your friends are probably right, and b) that even if they're NOT, you can get self-knowledge through tritype alone regardless of main type. But not it you keep calling obsessing and spinning and ping-ponging seeking. This kind of "seeking", i.e. DOUBTING, doesn't make you 'special'. It just cannibalizes your life force, and probably that of those around you as well. Obsessing over whether you're a 9 or 6 is unattractive and vulgar. Tell your 4 fix I told you that.

    And finally may I suggest that it would be better for you to actually take some time for all this to sink in and actually DO what I suggested--look at yourself as a triple-doubter, not a SEEKER, and see what emerges from that.

    You can't seek anything if you are engaged in an ongoing enterprise to GLORIFY the mud in your eyes.

    Reread what I wrote, think about it, sit with it, reframe the reframing, and let me know how it goes after you go there.


    Cheers.

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    ps I am Anastasia Romanova, the princess and daughter of a peasant by nature, who was brutally killed and resurrected many times by imposters and lived to tell the tale. I'm almost 60 years old and I've been in this business a long time and many friends and foes have guided me. Trust me.

    Provisionally, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anastasiaromanova View Post
    ps I am Anastasia Romanova, the princess and daughter of a peasant by nature, who was brutally killed and resurrected many times by imposters and lived to tell the tale. I'm almost 60 years old and I've been in this business a long time and many friends and foes have guided me. Trust me.

    Provisionally, of course.
    Anastasia,

    Read your conversation here with SearchingForPeace and found it extremely helpful. Would you mind explaining the difference between 649 and 641? Believed I was 641 but the more I read about 649 the more uncertain I am.

    Really appreciate the "triple doubt" description and relate to that very strongly.

    Thanks.

    Winter

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterchild View Post
    Anastasia,

    Read your conversation here with SearchingForPeace and found it extremely helpful. Would you mind explaining the difference between 649 and 641? Believed I was 641 but the more I read about 649 the more uncertain I am.

    Really appreciate the "triple doubt" description and relate to that very strongly.

    Thanks.

    Winter
    Well, as much it resonated with me, I realized that I am less 4 and more 2 in my tritype, so I am not this tritype, I believe....
    Quote Originally Posted by Archilochus
    The fox knows many things--the hedgehog one big one.
    And I am not a hedgehog......

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    Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers" not "blessed are the conflict avoiders.....

    9w8 6w5 4w5 sx/so

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    “Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984

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    SearchingForPeace,

    How did you determine you're more 2 than 4? Congrats on figuring that out!

    Winter

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterchild View Post
    SearchingForPeace,

    How did you determine you're more 2 than 4? Congrats on figuring that out!

    Winter
    I have a need to serve and help others. I tested 2w3 or 3w2 on tests for months. I really like helping others learn and grow. I need love and to feel love so I do things to get loved. I say nice to random people just to spread happiness. I push positive emotions constantly so others fill good.

    It was the logical growth accepting I was a ENFJ rather than a INFJ. Many ENFJs are 2w3. I am 9w8 at the core, but 2w3 is close behind. I now question the 6w5 fix. I see aspects of 5 and 7 in me as well.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Archilochus
    The fox knows many things--the hedgehog one big one.
    And I am not a hedgehog......

    -------------------

    Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers" not "blessed are the conflict avoiders.....

    9w8 6w5 4w5 sx/so

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    “Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984

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    I'm sexual/social 946. I'm intuïtive, accepting, researching. I want to be special, I want to be peaceful.
    I'm very sensitive. I feel intense feelings of selfdoubt and insecurity. I need other persons to confirm my opinion before I can come out with my opinion.
    I want to be individualistic, but I'm always afraid to be separated from others. I avoid confrontations, they ensure that my whole body starts to tremble... :-s
    I find it very difficult to stand in my own strength. I am very sad when I'm being overlooked...
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