(And I'd just like to point out the wonderfully useless irony of this thread....asking 8's why you can't ask them. Funny stuff. Ha)
I don't even bother asking anymore though. It's to the point that I don't care about the 8 anymore. So if I get it wrong, it's cause I wasn't trained right, not cause I'm stupid, and not cause I didn't ask. Oh well for them, shit happens.