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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    This is not an arthouse J... This is a factory that mass-produces types using a system that is supposed to be consistent within itself... It only produces 16 types of paintings... And if there's a clear-cut inconsistency between each type of painting, then either the factory or the painting is erroneous somehow... One of them has to be abandoned...
    Is this what communism is about? Should we all be getting the same haircut and color coordinating our underwear as well? How the fuck are we all supposed to contort ourselves enough to fit into just 16 stereotypes?? We're all going to have discrepancies outside of type as we are humans not blank pieces of driftwood. Just because someone doesn't fit into every little nook and cranny of a type doesn't mean they're not that type, otherwise no one is any type. Also; what the fucking fuck?! I don't know about you, but I am NOT mass produced and this is not a factory that cranks out perfect examples of each type. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with me or anyone else at all. This is not black and white, nothing ever is, there will always be inconsistencies especially when it comes to human beings.

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    As much as you might mean well at times, and as nice as this could seem... things aren't this black & white in human research; error terms exist due to endless limitations and confounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Humanity is infinitely diverse.

    You have to remember that typology is merely an attempt to simplify that diversity by applying categorizations, in hopes of achieving better understanding of self and others. But there are no clear delineations. You have to draw the line somewhere. But since there aren't actually 16 discrete types of human, that line can be a bit arbitrary for a portion of the population.

    It's like looking at a color spectrum and having to clearly mark off where "green" is. It's easy to point to the middle of the green area, but as you move towards other colors it becomes a little murkier. And yet, there is still value in the term green, even if there are bluish greens or greyish greens too.

    I understand that but as far as MBTI goes, which is what this forum is based upon, this is the definition of humankind...:



    Problem arises when someone claims to be one color but radiates more like another... This is an inconsistency in the system... Thus, either the system itself is flawed or the color itself is wrong...

    If colors are incorrectly labeled, how could one learn about the details of that specific color by interaction? You may think you are learning about green, which may in fact be yellow...distorting the perception about the entire system...

    Do you see this as a problem...? If yes, how to alleviate it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLazarus View Post
    Is this what communism is about? Should we all be getting the same haircut and color coordinating our underwear as well? How the fuck are we all supposed to contort ourselves enough to fit into just 16 stereotypes?? We're all going to have discrepancies outside of type as we are humans not blank pieces of driftwood. Just because someone doesn't fit into every little nook and cranny of a type doesn't mean they're not that type, otherwise no one is any type. Also; what the fucking fuck?! I don't know about you, but I am NOT mass produced and this is not a factory that cranks out perfect examples of each type. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with me or anyone else at all. This is not black and white, nothing ever is, there will always be inconsistencies especially when it comes to human beings.
    That is about typology...nothing else... Isn't this the typologycentral? What's this forum about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    That is about typology...nothing else... Isn't this the typologycentral? What's this forum about?
    Typology, if you haven't noticed, is(/are, whatever) a system for categorizing(and whatnot) humans , it doesn't matter whether you think it's about typology or not, the fact of the matter is that these types were created to categorize humans not the reverse. Ignoring the human aspects of diversity and complexity is simply foolish, it leads to inflexible, two dimensional thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I understand that but as far as MBTI goes, which is what this forum is based upon, this is the definition of humankind...:



    Problem arises when someone claims to be one color but radiates more like another... This is an inconsistency in the system... Thus, either the system itself is flawed or the color itself is wrong...
    Or, the system is just oversimplified.

    Basically, your understanding of MBTI and Enneagram is too rigid and you need to learn to accept the fact that these labels will not account for every single trait, behavior, whim, etc of human nature.

    Humans are far too complex to be reduced to a label.

    So it's not that the color is wrong or the system is wrong, it's just that the system only works to a certain extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLazarus View Post
    Typology, if you haven't noticed, is a system for categorizing(and whatnot) humans , it doesn't matter whether you think it's about typology or not, the fact of the matter is that these types were created to categorize humans not the reverse. Ignoring the human aspect is simply foolish, it leads to inflexible, two dimensional thinking.
    Actually we seem to be on the same page... Humans do make mistakes... If you don't want to be identified with and labeled by your type, simply remove your type info in your avatar...

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    It would seem some have forgotten that the system itself was devised to be used realistically. Structure is meant to serve what exists, what exists is not meant to serve structure. Otherwise, structure is pointless, as it is inherently flawed.

    These psychological systems were devised to understand the various mechanics behind a person's psyche and motivations. They were not built to be imposed on people.

    Also, for @yeghor's color argument, I'm sure the tetrachromats would love that the reason they are grouped under a color that they actually aren't is because the trichromatic people who built the systems can't see their actual color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    It would seem some have forgotten that the system itself was devised to be used realistically. Structure is meant to serve what exists, what exists is not meant to serve structure. Otherwise, structure is pointless, as it is inherently flawed.

    These psychological systems were devised to understand the various mechanics behind a person's psyche and motivations. They were not built to be imposed on people.
    People are imposing it on themselves by their own choice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    People are imposing it on themselves by their own choice...
    Looking at how you fit into a theory =/= imposing structural labels on yourself.
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