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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Based on the abovegiven, which "partially" fits with my speculation, IxxJs, who are superego dominant types, cannot have an ego type (i.e. 4, 5 and 9 in your quoted post) as their main type... They have to have a superego type as their main type...to represent a superego stronger than ego...

    And I still think 4=Fi and 5=Ti so can't see how a Fe-dom aux or Te-dom aux could be a 4 or 5... perhaps their secondary and tertiary enneagram types may be giving them a different flavor but doubt it...

    How did Riso-Hudson do that mapping?
    No. How many times to you have to be told by people before it sinks in? Seriously. It's well known here, and pretty much everywhere, that there are PLENTY of INFJ's and INTJ's that are E4 and E5. The idea that they are ALL wrong, on decades of foundation of enneagram and MBTI is just rediculous through and through. You're speculation is incorrect. It's not an iron clad correlation, people are complex and all of the combinations crossed between theories are possible. Some are very common, others less so, but they are all valid. We know this, because we can see individuals who fit it. That's the evidence, that's the proof. I do not understand why you keep holding onto ideas that people show you being incorrect, it doesn't make a lick of rational sense at all.
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    Some more fuel to the fire...

    Enneagram Test Results (60 questions one)

    The Enneagram is a personality system which divides the entire human personality into nine behavioral tendencies, this is your score on each...

    Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||||||| 70%
    Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||||||| 66%
    Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||| 38%
    Type 4 Individualism |||||||||||| 46%
    Type 5 Intellectualism |||||||||||||||||| 74%
    Type 6 Security Focus |||||||||||||| 58%
    Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||| 34%
    Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||| 26%
    Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||| 42%

    type score type behavior motivation
    5 18 I must be knowledgeable to survive.
    1 17 I must be perfect and good to survive.
    2 16 I must be helpful and caring to survive.
    6 14 I must be secure and safe to survive.
    4 11 I must be unique/different to survive.
    9 10 I must maintain peace/calm to survive.
    3 9 I must be impressive and attractive to survive.
    7 8 I must be fun and entertained to survive.
    8 6 I must be strong and in control to survive.

    Your main type is Type 5

    Your variant stacking is sp/so/sx

    Your level of health is very low, i.e. very unhealthy

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    And this... http://www.enneagramquiz.com/

    You are a Type 5 with a 6 wing: "The Scientist"

    Your trifix is 5w6, 2w1, 1w9.

    Your core type (your strongest type) is Type 5 with a 6 wing:

    Type Five individuals are cerebral, intelligent, and complex. Type Five is often called the Investigator type, because they are constantly trying to learn more about the world. To a Five, knowledge is power, and knowing more about the world around them makes the world a safer place. It’s common for a Five to withdraw into their own thoughts and ruminate on intricate ideas and concepts. Type Fives, when they are in a growth state, become self-confident and authoritative like a Type Eight. When they are stressed, Type Fives become scattered like an unhealthy Type Seven. You are a Type Five with a Six wing, which means that the cerebral nature of a Type Five combines with the troubleshooting thought style of a Type Six. This makes Type 5w6 the Enneagram type of the stereotypical scientist – the 5w6 is always creating new ideas and testing them.
    Your second type (your next strongest type) is Type 2 with a 1 wing:

    Type Two individuals are generous and kind. Twos love others and want to be loved, and becoming close to others is a theme in the life of the Two. This is why Two is often referred to as the Helper type – because they keep coming, time and time again, to the aid of others. Out of all the types in the Enneagram, Twos are the most likely to help someone when they’re feeling down or when they’re being attacked. When a Type Two is stressed, they can become aggressive like an unhealthy Type Eight. When they’re healthy, a Type Two becomes emotionally aware like a healthy Type Four. You are a Type Two with a One wing, which means that the helpful nature of the Two combines with the idealistic nature of the One to make a very humanitarian personality.
    Your third type (the least-used of the three) is Type 1 with a 9 wing:

    Type One individuals have a very finely tuned sense of right and wrong, and they chart the course of their lives by following a righteous path. This doesn’t have to be religious… it can be any set of principles that the Type One finds ethical. Ones are perfectionists, often setting high standards for themselves and others. Type One may very well be the most noble type in the Enneagram. When a Type One is in a state of growth, they become excited and joyous like a Seven. When a Type One is stressed, they become emotional and overwhelmed like an unhealthy Type 4. You are a Type One with a Nine wing, which means that the righteous traits of a Type One combine with the peaceful nature of the Type Nine to create a very idealistic personality.
    Some words that describe you: principled, moralistic, perfectionist, self-critical, generous, helpful, selfless, loving, intelligent, cerebral, questioning.

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    I think I had to adopt 5 so as to satisfy my father's need for feeling good about himself over his children's success...

    and the 1 and 2 to satisfy my mother's need for affection and compassion that she couldn't get from her husband...

    This was my way of making peace (or a bargain) with them I guess...so that I can be loved by and receive back affection and nurturing from my parents I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post

    ISFP - Flower child
    Ok. So this is one of the videos I was talking about. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you.

    The ones before this, I don't think I agree with your re-typing of them either. But this one seemed in particular, very interesting.

    Yeghor....why do you think she is ISFP?

    I think she clearly states, that she heavily, relates to INFJ.

    -So I guess my first question is, why would you even reconsider her type?

    -Second question is, why do you not see Fe? It is the first thing that I noticed about her. (And also, I'd like to point out, that to type someone like this, is assuming that one can type another person via 1 video, or via facial expressions and so on....which is also in question as well.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Ok. So this is one of the videos I was talking about. Sorry it took my so long to get back to you.

    The ones before this, I don't think I agree with your re-typing of them either. But this one seemed in particular, I found interesting.

    Yeghor....why do you think she is ISFP?

    I think she clearly states, that she heavily, relates to INFJ.

    -So I guess my first question is, why would you even reconsider her type?

    -Second question is, why do you not see Fe? It is the first thing that I noticed about her. (And also, I'd like to point out, that to type someone like this, is assuming that one can type another person via 1 video, or via facial expressions and so on....which is also in question as well.)
    qestion 1: Cause there's an overabundance of INFJs online (who supposedly compromise only a 1-2% of general population), and I was trying to demonstrate that when you search for INFJ on youtube, about 80% of the self-portrait videos that the search yields are of the people who are clearly non-INFJs, but some other NF or SF type...

    So this was done to show how much of a spillover there is to the INFJ type... confusing people's perception about what INFJ really is...

    question 2: How old is she? Like 15-20? Based on my personal experience, INFJs are very much like ISFJs in demeanor and clothing style, at least initially... INFJs are self-conscious... Does the INFJ in that video look like an ISFJ or a self-conscious person...?

    She clearly has a high self-esteem...also a unique clothing style for her age... She's artsy... Probably an enneagram 4...

    She also uses too much eyeliner and a too heavy lipstick... She's trying express her "unique" identity... all of which makes me think that she's an xxFP...

    IxFJ is basically an inversed ExFP... There's an ExFP waiting to hatch out inside of IxFJs and vice versa... So IxFJ is basically an "ugly duckling"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    qestion 1: Cause there's an overabundance of INFJs online (who supposedly compromise only a 1-2% of general population), and I was trying to demonstrate that when you search for INFJ on youtube, about 80% of the self-portrait videos that the search yields are of the people who are clearly non-INFJs, but some other NF or SF type...

    So this was done to show how much of a spillover there is to the INFJ type... confusing people's perception about what INFJ really is...

    question 2: How old is she? Like 15-20? Based on my personal experience, INFJs are very much like ISFJs in demeanor and clothing style, at least initially... INFJs are self-conscious... Does the INFJ in that video look like an ISFJ or a self-conscious person...?

    She clearly has a high self-esteem...also a unique clothing style for her age... She's artsy... Probably an enneagram 4...

    She also uses too much eyeliner and a too heavy lipstick... She's trying express her "unique" identity... all of which makes me think that she's an xxFP...

    IxFJ is basically an inversed ExFP... There's an ExFP waiting to hatch out inside of IxFJs and vice versa... So IxFJ is basically an "ugly duckling"...
    Her emotions are easily worn on her sleeve. She is not introverting her emotions.

    Something that leads me to believe she's not comfortable "winging it" like a P, is that she wrote points down, which she followed. I think she's a J. Also her Se is not coming out. When an ISFP makes a video, their Se comes out usually.

    She may be an enneagram 4. But I don't really see how that negates the possibility that she would be an INFJ.

    And the statistics in some of the books I have, point to 4 being the most common type for an INFJ. Following right behind that they say 1 is quite common. But there is a significant difference in shading. Here is a link. Please scroll up one page, to page 166 to see the chart


    Also did you watch the entire video? She said she felt very different her whole life. Sounds like an ugly duckling complex to me

    Also, could you please link someone that you think IS an INFJ? So that I can compare your context and what kind of reference point you're going by....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Her emotions are easily worn on her sleeve. She is not introverting her emotions.

    Something that leads me to believe she's not comfortable "winging it" like a P, is that she wrote points down, which she followed. I think she's a J. Also her Se is not coming out. When an ISFP makes a video, their Se comes out usually.

    She may be an enneagram 4. But I don't really see how that negates the possibility that she would be an INFJ.

    And the statistics in some of the books I have, point to 4 being the most common type for an INFJ. Following right behind that they say 1 is quite common. But there is a significant difference in shading. Here is a link. Please scroll up one page, to page 166 to see the chart

    Also did you watch the entire video? She said she felt very different her whole life. Sounds like an ugly duckling complex to me

    Also, could you please link someone that you think IS an INFJ? So that I can compare your context and what kind of reference point you're going by....
    INFJs don't wear their emotions on their sleeves... INFJ is a construct that traps in and supresses internal emotions (Fi)...

    Fe is about making proper social gestures and sending negotiation\hailing signals to others so as to communicate that they do not pose a threat to the other... It functions like a receiver and transmitter... It checks emotional status of others mainly for signs of hostility and disapproval... A friend or foe detector...

    I don't know about the Se... Perhaps she uses Ne more...

    There are 3-4 videos of people whom I think are INFJs in this thread...

    Edit: Thanks for the book link.. I think some 4s that type themselves as INFJs may in fact be INFPs or ENFJs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    INFJs doesn't wear their emotions on their sleeves... INFJ is a construct that traps in and supresses internal emotions (Fi)...
    This does not make sense to me. Like, I don't understand how INFJ's relate to Fi...can you explain that more?

    If you want to get more literal...they probably pretend to wear their emotions on their sleeve to keep up with the emotional atmosphere of the group. But is in no way similar to the concealing of emotions that an introverted feeler does.

    I really recommend watching this guy:



    Like I think that you may need to really absorb what he's saying.

    Fe is about making proper social gestures and sending negotiation\hailing signals to others so as to communicate that they do not pose a threat to the other... It functions like a receiver and transmitter... It checks emotional status of others mainly for signs of hostility and disapproval... A friend or foe detector...
    I can mostly agree with this. But I think that she is doing that. In compared to this



    Do you see the difference? These girls are much more mellow. And by that I mean, they are not expressing their feelings as the INFJ in that video. I can even hear it in the inflection of their voice. They even have that monotone Te more. When the girls are making a joke about how long the video is, their smile is holding back, like so much.

    So you see what I mean?

    If you are going to type by the way people look and by one look at a video...this is the comparison you could keep in mind.

    I don't know about the Se... Perhaps she uses Ne more...
    It's absent and so is Ne...she is very focused. She is using Pi primarily. And if she has a hard time explaining herself (which she mentioned) then she prolly doesn't have Si.

    There are 3-4 videos of people whom I think are INFJs in this thread...
    Yea, I don't think that there's a difference. What are these cues you're picking up that makes you determine what function someone is expressing?

    Edit: Thanks for the book link.. I think some 4s that type themselves as INFJs may in fact be INFPs or ENFJs...
    Ok. Well that's a start.

    And yea it works that route as well. But what I was also trying to show you, is that if someone is identifying with INFJ, the likelihood of them being a 4 is pretty high. You know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    This does not make sense to me. Like, I don't understand how INFJ's relate to Fi...can you explain that more? If you want to get more literal...they probably pretend to wear their emotions on their sleeve to keep up with the emotional atmosphere of the group. But is in no way similar to the concealing of emotions that an introverted feeler does.
    INFJs' Fi (personal (internal) preferences and values that hold dear to their self) is quite small in volume than that of a Fi-dom or aux...

    My understanding of how functions work differ a bit from what Dr.Mike says... A bit contrary to what Dr Mike says, INFJs receive external information mainly thru Fe and Se... and then analyze that information thru Ni and Ti... So the extraverted functions are inlets and outlets (filters) of incoming and outgoing information...and internal functions are how we make sense of that internalized information...

    So INFJ scans the environment for how people are feeling, they are focusing more on how others feel rather than their own feelings... This is infact a representation of INFJs codependent nature, which compels them to focus more on others' needs thru their (the latter's) emotional status\distress (Fe = others' Fi) rather than their own (self Fi)...which is represented in MBTI by Fi<Fe...

    Once that information is internalized, INFJs analyze it thru their Ni and Ti so as to understand it from an unemotional (depersonalized, detached) point of view and send back a proper response mostly thru their Fe... So whatever INFJs say back in return will be filtered out or modified by Fe... i.e. giving back to the other a socially or individually proper response...

    So when interacting with others, INFJs are concentrating on not offending the other person and somehow alleviating the other person's distress (defusing the other person)...

    IxFPs OTOH will be internalizing information thru their Se (body language) or Ne (potential meanings?), and analyzing it mostly thru their Fi, i.e. how that incoming information sits with their internal preferences and values, i.e. their "self identity", based on the emotions that information arouses in them, i.e. how that information makes them feel...

    And then based on the emotion aroused they'll respond negatively or positively back in a way that is flavored thru their secondary function, Se or Ne... If it is something that hurts their "self" i.e. Fi, they'll either use negative body language (Se, frown, anger etc.) or use Ne to tell to the other how what they proposed might not be so... so as to convince both the other person and themselves that what they suggested is not "true", even though it actually may be... this is done to prevent the ego from getting hurt...

    So, INFJs will express (filter) their thoughts in a way that will not offend the other individual... in a way that the other person can stomach...

    Whereas Fi dom or aux will filter and express out their emotions (how they feel) thru Ne or Se... Edit: I think this gives them an ability to become good artists...

    As Dr.Mike says in the video, INFJs are doing the analyzing thing from an abstract\impersonal view point i.e., thru Ne Ni, whereas xxFPs do that from a personal view point...so the girl in the video tells about how she also "feels" how other people around are feeling... INFJs OTOH understand what the other person may be feeling as a "cause and effect reasoning kinda thought" not something they feel inside themselves (unless it is something they've also felt before or sensitive about, i.e. something in the Fi reservoir, which is quite smaller in scale in comparison to that of xxFPs...)

    She seems more expressive than others, perhaps she's an extravert but I still think she's an xxFP...

    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Like I think that you may need to really absorb what he's saying.
    Why do I need to absorb it? Isn't that a bit presumptious...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    These girls look like tertiary F's... The one on the right is dressed up like an IxFP but she sounds like an ISTJ... The other one, I've no idea about...

    This one feels much more like an INFP in terms of demeanor:



    and this one an ISFP:



    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    It's absent and so is Ne...she is very focused. She is using Pi primarily. And if she has a hard time explaining herself (which she mentioned) then she prolly doesn't have Si.

    Yea, I don't think that there's a difference. What are these cues you're picking up that makes you determine what function someone is expressing?
    She's too warm and too expressive to be an INFJ... Fe feels more like a construct, a front... Whatever she's saying is coming from her Fi, not Ni or something... She's not detached from her Fi...

    Check 2:50 to see what happens when an INFJ connects with her Fi:



    In her other videos, take note how she's emotionally colder and detached...

    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Ok. Well that's a start.
    No it's an end... I've already discussed about that in this thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    And yea it works that route as well. But what I was also trying to show you, is that if someone is identifying with INFJ, the likelihood of them being a 4 is pretty high. You know?
    No, I think it's the other way around, I think enneagram 4s (and perhaps 3s) have a high likelihood of (mis)identifying with the INFJ type...

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