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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLazarus View Post
    I never claimed to make sense. I was of course recalling my overall experience not trying to match up to a description, that defeats the purpose of all this.
    @LadyLazarus -- conventional forum-thread-type apologies : I knew you weren't trying to match to a description, only, they don't make a /sarcasm> font so I did the best I could with the emoticon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grey_beard View Post
    @LadyLazarus -- conventional forum-thread-type apologies : I knew you weren't trying to match to a description, only, they don't make a /sarcasm> font so I did the best I could with the emoticon.
    Haha it's fine, sorry; triple reactive you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by collierm48 View Post
    So I'm very close with a 4, and of course I like him, but we are pretty unalike in a lot of ways.
    THIS, right HERE, is exactly what I think about my friendship with a 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLazarus View Post
    Oh yay!My favorite subject; me!

    Where did you read that?
    As a sexual 4, I am the "counter-envy" 4, perhaps, that may hold more truth in regards to sp and so 4's.
    When I am healthy I become very self-righteous, confident, and equal parts more combative and receptive, I also begin to become more aware/sympathetic towards others.The emotionally turbulent part sounds correct, even when healthy, my emotions fluctuate a lot, which is why I can't stay healthy/unhealthy for very long, I tend to vacillate between integration into 1 and disintegration into 2, however I've never completely disintegrated on my own, only in relationships.
    This is rather "average 4". I think when average or "high average" many feel "healthy" (a better term may be "developed") because they function pretty well in life. The vast, vast majority of people are at "average" levels (hence the term), so they may also compare themselves to the norm & think it's "healthy".

    Anyway, I am probably an "average 4" and can relate to this. There is a struggle here to not slip into a tighter grip of the ego fix, but to integrate more. It's like you have enough awareness now to you can pull yourself up, but also that you can fall.

    I'll feel a pull between
    - healthy confidence/self-esteem vs elitism & counter-envy (making yourself enviable, counter-envy, envy denial)
    - principled behaviors/attitudes vs self-righteousness & then indulgence ("I deserve it; I was good, and I did not get paid")
    - honoring emotions as valid as they occur then moving on vs amplifying emotional states & using them as an identity
    - receptive vs combative (good one there!)
    - self-absorbed & self-pitying vs curious about others & empathetic


    An awareness of envy & inner turbulence can be a step towards transcending them (which is not an "easy" process). I don't know if it would surface more as you become aware though. Perhaps if the 4 is working past shame, they will allow it to rear its head, as if it cannot be tamed until accepted. I can relate to that.... As a 4, you have to accept warts & imperfections don't make you unlovable or separate from the rest of humanity, and some of that can involve exposing those warts & imperfections because otherwise you hide out from life & hold people at arm's length. So maybe when healthier, the 4 friend is less withdrawn & depressive, but then the envy & melodrama are exposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by collierm48 View Post
    So I'm very close with a 4, and of course I like him, but we are pretty unalike in a lot of ways.
    Also, I just read that 4's are healthy when they are envious and emotionally turbulent? What the FLYING FUCK?
    This, unfortunately, sounds exactly like my E4 friend.

    Its either a) I'm more assertive than usual and he doesn't piss me off as much
    Or b) I'm nice and then he says petty shit that makes me wanna punch him


    4s: What the hell. What do you suggest? pls help

    @LadyLazarus
    I don't really know you too well, but I noticed you were a 4.
    Help?
    @Nights and Days
    Where'd you read that?? Doesn't sound healthy to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by collierm48 View Post
    Also, I just read that 4's are healthy when they are envious and emotionally turbulent? What the FLYING FUCK?
    Theyre not. Envious and turbulent are signs the four is unhealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typh0n View Post
    Theyre not. Envious and turbulent are signs the four is unhealthy.
    Yeah my b that was already sorted out earlier in the thread. I dont like 4s though.

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    I seem to have this dilemma where I'm addicted to 4s and afraid of them at the same time. Thread title is situation-appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noon View Post
    I seem to have this dilemma where I'm addicted to 4s and afraid of them at the same time.
    That's exactly how I feel about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    That's exactly how I feel about them.
    My 6 friend is afraid of me and it makes me sad.
    It's happened before too, with other 6s.
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