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    Default Am I a type 4, 5 or 8?

    I started taking Enneagram tests 3 years ago and have always come up as 8w7. I have never, however, felt at home in m type's forums. I thought it was due to there being a big number both of mystyped people and stereotypes about type 8, but reading through type 4's threads I was shocked at how much I could relate. I took a test today and got 5w4-4w5-8w7, but since I don't trust tests completely I'm asking for help.

    A questionary linked to me by @Animal:



    What age range are you in?
    I’m 23 years old.

    Any disorders or conditions we should know about?
    Not that I know of.

    Main Questions

    1. What do you think your life is about? What drives you in life? This can be something like a goal or a purpose, or anything else that comes to mind.
    I want to be recognized and prized for who I am and my special talents. I want to inspire people to be themselves too, to feel confident and not be afraid of being genuine no matter what the rest of the world thinks.

    2. What were you like as a kid?
    Very curious, artistic, fertile imagination, smart. I loved to create elaborate make believe situations, either with dolls or just in my head and loved to recreate my favorite scenes from TV shows, specially the dramatic ones.

    3. Describe your relationship with your parents. Does anything stand out about the way you interacted?
    My mom and I always had long conversations, she had a lot of patience in answering my endless questions and respected my individuality and pace.

    4. What values are important to you? What do you hope to avoid doing or being?
    I value honesty, specially being honest with oneself, honoring your passions and respecting other people right to be who they are. I try to avoid being narrow minded, rude and conceited.

    5. Aside from phobias, are there any fears that characterized your childhood? Have they continued into the present day, or not, and if not, how have you dealt with them?
    Fear of abandonment because I stayed with my grandma during the day and she was an alcoholic. She could be really irresponsible, go out to shop for groceries and don’t come back for hours. I used to panic back then. She once let me alone in our way home from school because I didn’t answer a question she made (I didn’t hear it) and I ran after her crying.

    I’d say it may manifest in me being so reticent in getting close to people. I don’t want to get attached just to be abandoned later.

    6. a.) How do you see yourself?
    b.) How do you want others to see you?
    c.) What do you dislike the most in other people?


    a) A kitten that when stressed will glare at you with her claws out but otherwise has a semi-permanent judging look.
    b) Special, unique, top notch material.
    c) Dishonesty and crudeness.

    7. Which habit do you most automatically act on? Rank the following habits from most to least automatic, on a scale of 1 (most) to 3 (least).
    a.) Work for personal gain with more concern for self than for others.
    b.) Strive for a sense of tranquility in yourself and the world around you.
    c.) Decide what is right for the betterment of something or someone else.


    I act precisely in this order.

    8. Where does the wandering mind take you? What provokes this?
    Everywhere and anywhere, I just can’t stop thinking. I think mostly about music, dance, photography, human relations and mystical things. I also think a lot about how to improve myself and why I do the things I do.

    Very small things or a comment in passing can spark overnight musings about human existence and the nature of the universe.

    9.What makes you feel your best? What makes you feel your worst?
    I feel best when I can dedicate myself to things I love without external pressures and when I can enjoy good company.

    I feel worse when in an environment that doesn’t respect me and where I have to change myself to fit in. And when I allow my fears to get the best of me and let myself sown.

    10. Let's talk about emotions. Explain what might make you feel the following, how they feel to you or how you react to the emotion:

    a.) anger

    People are my main source of anger. Stupid people, rude people, know-it-all’s and people who try to control me. When I see somebody in a position I’d give everything to be in and they don’t show appreciation for it, I get angry too.

    b.) shame
    I feel ashamed when I underperform and when I overreact. I just disappear for as long as I can.

    c.) anxiety
    When something is up in the air and I have no idea if I can make it or not. I hate uncertainty, specially if its related to money or health.

    11. Describe how you respond to the following:
    a.) stress

    I withdrawn completely and when I absolute have to talk to people I can be blunt and hurt them accidentally.
    b.) negative unexpected change
    I get angry and have to know why it had to happen. I may drop everything.
    c.) conflict
    Never avoided conflict. It’s better to have things out in the open than to let our feelings become poison inside.

    12. a.) What kind of role are you naturally inclined to take in a group? Why?
    Creative director, mostly, though I always end up doubling as leader. It’s natural to me to provide people with ideas and decide in which direction we’re going.

    Others see as a good leader even though I try to avoid the position.

    b.) If put in power, how do you behave? Why?
    I’m assertive, objective and encouraging. It’s just how it is, not a conscious decision.

    c.) Do you tend to struggle with others who have authority over you? Why?
    Yes, I hate it. I hate people imposing on my time, invading my privacy and telling me what to do.
    I wanna be able to decide whether I do things, how and when I do them and for how long. I just want to be free.

    13. What do you see or notice in others that most people don't?
    I see who people are beneath the masks they wear and it both infuriates me and makes me sad that they would feel the need to. I also can spot a bad seed a mile away and it baffles me how others can’t.

    14. Comment on your relationship with trust.
    I don’t trust, period. I always tell people to not trust me too much as well. You never know.

    15. Briefly: What religious and/or political beliefs do you have? Do you think they influenced your responses in this questionnaire?

    I’m agnostic. I’m mystical but not religious and no, it didn’t influence me at all.

    Optional Question (due to personal nature)

    Discuss an event that has impacted your life significantly; more importantly, how you responded to it.

    When I told my mom I wanted to be a singer at 12 and she shut me down. I never recovered.
    Even though she changed her mind and supports me now, I have issues when it comes to singing in front of other people and in my real life no one knows of my dream. I just became very self destructive for a long while, I sabotage myself because I can’t be what I am.

    Extra Questions

    Which of the following temptations do you find yourself acting upon the most? (And briefly state why)


    - To constantly push yourself to be “the best”
    - To be without needs, well-intentioned
    - To replace direct experience with concepts
    - To have an extreme sense of personal moral obligation
    - To think that fulfillment is somewhere else
    - To cyclically become indecisive and seek others for reassurance
    - To overuse imagination in searching for yourself
    - To avoid conflicts and asserting yourself
    - To consider yourself entirely self-sufficient

    I realize my desires in my fantasies if I can’t in real life.


    What's something you are: a.) thankful you have b.) wish you could have? Why?
    a) I’m thankful for being alive and healthy, for being loved, being an intelligent human being and mostly, for being an individual in a sea of minions.

    b) Though it may seem that I'm self suficient and don't need anone I actually long for friendship. I want friends that for once have me as a priorit and are as dedicated to me as I am to them, that understand me and that I can count on. I'm hard to get to know and I'm trying to change a bit.


    Any other questions, feel free to ask.

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    You are similar to me in some ways and strike me as a 4. I will see what others say though. I'm not good at typing threads.
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    @Look Alive_Sunshine Oh boy, so much of this sounds like me (and I know that might bother you). I believe you are 4w5 with slightly more balanced wings than myself (I have a heavy wing, and you seem a tad more 3-wing ish), 458, and unsure on instinctual variants.

    I too was crushed by my Mom when I wanted to pursue music as a pre-teen. I've grown a lot, but that wound seems to be one of the last to heal. It manifests in an unfortunately visceral way that keeps me from singing in front of others (as you mentioned) but it's getting better.

    I'm short on time, but will come back to write more later. @Animal is an awesome source but let me know if you want more info on 458 specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    @Look Alive_Sunshine Oh boy, so much of this sounds like me (and I know that might bother you). I believe you are 4w5 with slightly more balanced wings than myself (I have a heavy wing, and you seem a tad more 3-wing ish), 458, and unsure on instinctual variants.

    I too was crushed by my Mom when I wanted to pursue music as a pre-teen. I've grown a lot, but that wound seems to be one of the last to heal. It manifests in an unfortunately visceral way that keeps me from singing in front of others (as you mentioned) but it's getting better.

    I'm short on time, but will come back to write more later. @Animal is an awesome source but let me know if you want more info on 458 specifically.
    Thank you so much for the input.

    I finally decided on therapy this past week, the idea of exposing how I feel even to a professional was very difficult to diggest. But at least I realized there's no possible happiness for me if I don't go for singing regardless of succeeding or no.

    Will love to hear more from you .

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    I have a lot to say but I'm preoccupied - when I have a chance I'll write a longer post. Normally I don't have strong opinions on typing threads but I have to say this is very 4. I'll write more when I can. =,)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
    I have a lot to say but I'm preoccupied - when I have a chance I'll write a longer post. Normally I don't have strong opinions on typing threads but I have to say this is very 4. I'll write more when I can. =,)
    Will be waiting

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    I'd say 5 is the least likely of the 3 types you're considering. 4 is probably right, but 8 doesn't seem entirely unreasonable either. Here's a resource that might help you: http://theenneagraminbusiness.com/th...neagram-style/ It's got descriptions of each type (including quotes that exemplify each worldview, and questions to ask yourself to determine if you're that type) and there's another section where 3 people of each type have written about how they discovered their type and/or how it manifests in their lives. But the main reason I'm pointing you to it is that, if you click on "Enneagram style differentiators" you can read a comparison of any two types, so you might want to see what it says about 4s and 8s (and maybe the 4/5 and 5/8 comparisons too) and see if that helps.

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    I'd believe you to be the same trifix as me, (I mistyped not only as an 8w7 before but also a 458).

    Possibly a 1 - 5 - 4 variant or 5 - 1 - 4 variant.

    With your need to be seen as special and unique to others, is it to be seen as different primarily or to be seen as perfect or near perfect?

    I see Type 1 shine with your anger description, your disintegration (negative stress -> sullen, withdrawn).

    Your description of your dream being crushed sounds like the corruption of the Type 1's holy idea, perfection (but is limited to the self in this instance). When you are held-back from something because you aren't good enough makes you probably come to the conclusion that you are inherently flawed, broken, or corrupted as a person (disintegration to 4).

    I can point to more evidence if necessary, and I'm sure some better typers like @Elfboy and @Mal12345 can lend a hand as well and possibly debunk my own interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavarium View Post
    I'd say 5 is the least likely of the 3 types you're considering. 4 is probably right, but 8 doesn't seem entirely unreasonable either. Here's a resource that might help you: http://theenneagraminbusiness.com/th...neagram-style/ It's got descriptions of each type (including quotes that exemplify each worldview, and questions to ask yourself to determine if you're that type) and there's another section where 3 people of each type have written about how they discovered their type and/or how it manifests in their lives. But the main reason I'm pointing you to it is that, if you click on "Enneagram style differentiators" you can read a comparison of any two types, so you might want to see what it says about 4s and 8s (and maybe the 4/5 and 5/8 comparisons too) and see if that helps.
    Thank you for the link, I'll make sure to read it carefully and get back to you once I'm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I'd believe you to be the same trifix as me, (I mistyped not only as an 8w7 before but also a 458).

    Possibly a 1 - 5 - 4 variant or 5 - 1 - 4 variant.
    As I stated before I don’t put too much trust on tests, but I’ve always scored low on type 1. As I recall and your comment seems to confirm , type 1‘s focus on perfection which is hardly a concern for me. In terms of standards I seek excellence, not perfection.

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    With your need to be seen as special and unique to others, is it to be seen as different primarily or to be seen as perfect or near perfect?
    I want to grab people’s attention and leave an impression that never leaves their mind. Leave my mark, so to speak. So when they think of that specific thing that matters to me, they think of me.

    I’ll use performing as an example: when I perform I may not be the best singer or dancer in the group, but I pride myself in being the most charismatic, having that “x factor” that others don’t. So even though I might not take the prize home I’ll be the one people will be commenting on when the show’s over. I’d say the same about my relationships, I don’t strive to hid my flaws and never make mistakes, I just want to be their favorite despite all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I see Type 1 shine with your anger description, your disintegration (negative stress -> sullen, withdrawn).

    Your description of your dream being crushed sounds like the corruption of the Type 1's holy idea, perfection (but is limited to the self in this instance). When you are held-back from something because you aren't good enough makes you probably come to the conclusion that you are inherently flawed, broken, or corrupted as a person (disintegration to 4).
    I don’t see how having my dream crushed has anything to do with perfection.

    Can't really comment much on the rest because I've honestly never paid attention to type 1. Will read on it now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I can point to more evidence if necessary, and I'm sure some better typers like @Elfboy and @Mal12345 can lend a hand as well and possibly debunk my own interpretation.
    I vastly disagree with @Elfboy’s take on the Enneagram types, but I’ll message @Mal12345 and see if he/she (?) is willing to help.

    But by all means, I wanna hear what other evidence you have to present. What’s your interpretation?

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