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    Default I'm Hopelessly Confused about my Enneatype.

    Hello everyone, I'm really confused about my enneatype. I believe that for INFJ's the most common types are 1's, 4's, and 9's.

    I first came on believing I was a type 4, and online and offline I score 4 almost every time, when I over-think, I get 5 or 9.

    If I am a 4, I believe I would be a 4w5, I do have interest in science or anything that sparks my curiosity, I search it up on the internet or ask others. I am in love in finding new information. As a 4, I connect to being sensitive and display myself through fashion primarily, I grew up liking the way my hair being done in a certain way, and certain styles appealed me a very INFP approach towards personal tastes. I primarily avoid sports if I can, but sometimes succumb to peer pressure if some makes me. However, if my friends tell me that looks weird, or if I start to feel my clothes weren't the best choice I might switch to another style (Fe to Fi clash)

    If I am a 1, only the healthy apply in most cases, I have been arguing against my dad (parental orientation is disconnected from patriarchal figure). I remember a situation where I argued against my Dad, what I believed that my rationale was more toward common sense and why he didn't let me do certain things.

    If I am a 9 *this might or does sounds 4ish* , I tend to blur out from people's conversation and fantasize and think about my own problems or think of a woman I am very fond of, or of a memorable experience I one time had with a person I am blurring out on. Ihate conflict, but if I am backed up on making a decision, I stick to one choice, just to end it hopefully. I do come up people directly and tell them that I am sorry, and sometimes others are hated to be reminded that I am trying to tell that I was in the wrong and they're in the right. Even if they don't forgive, at least I am content with my part if I am not too fond on the person.

    I believe 4w5 is more likely than 5w4, I grew up to be a loner because I felt like nobody could connect with me and I was desperately searching for that one who could understand me. To this point in my life, it is somewhat still of a search, but I am more real with myself today, having to do to get what I want, whether career-wise, relationship-wise, or personal taste-wise. I've been told I am attractive by many of the opposite sex, and I am very shallow about meeting women, but I have no problems being friends with any of them. This has somewhat got me to thinking of being a 4w3, but I could be wrong.

    When I grow up, I want to have plenty of cash to cushion myself on as I age, and I have only little interest in politics which is unfortunate, but it helps me to have less anxiety throughout my years. One thing less to worry on. (Sounds 9ish?)

    I mistaken myself as a 6 is because sometimes I may submit myself to authority to get through the least trouble if I see the end result worth it, I can switch if the end isn't worth it or I've been sugarcoated about it (Does that make sense?) The parentheses thing sounds very seeking for approval too. I believe I am very self-aware and that can lead me back to a 4 as well.

    I am afraid mostly of 8 types or ESP's being very upfront with me. But they don't disturb me as long as it is a once in awhile thing.

    I can be extroverted for reasons of me wanting to attain more information on something, or to find an ideal partner.

    Also, do instinctual variants vary for the same person for different types? If you believe on the tri-type theory, I believe enneagram believes that you are always one core type, just as MBTI but more fluid if I that is what I am understanding.

    Feel free to ask any questions. After typing this down, I feel inclined to type myself as 4w5, but I have been very instinctual on that, so I'll wait a little.

    Thanks so much!

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    From your post, my instinct is that you're a 9 with a 4 fix, but I could be wrong. I definitely don't think 1 or 5 fits you. Most of the 4-ish qualities you described (sensitivity, strong tastes, tendency to fantasize) are common for INFx 9s, but not indicative of having the 4's core problem of shame.

    Which is more of a core issue for you: feeling unimportant and powerless, like a little speck of dust in a vast universe that doesn't acknowledge you or feeling simultaneously special and defective/flawed and like the universe singled you out somehow?

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    @underwaterthing

    Thanks for your response. That's a very good question. I think feeling unimportant and powerless, like a little speck of dust in a vast universe that doesn't acknowledge me, I think that sounds more of a 9 to me, if that's what you're getting to.

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    I'd hazard a guess at 9 based on your OP. Prolly 9w1.

    This, here, is textbook 9ness. Not 4ish at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    If I am a 9 *this might or does sounds 4ish* , I tend to blur out from people's conversation and fantasize and think about my own problems or think of a woman I am very fond of, or of a memorable experience I one time had with a person I am blurring out on. Ihate conflict, but if I am backed up on making a decision, I stick to one choice, just to end it hopefully. I do come up people directly and tell them that I am sorry, and sometimes others are hated to be reminded that I am trying to tell that I was in the wrong and they're in the right. Even if they don't forgive, at least I am content with my part if I am not too fond on the person.
    You've also noted some sort of connection to 6, which a 9 will have.

    Maybe 945 tritype?

    Thanks for your response. That's a very good question. I think feeling unimportant and powerless, like a little speck of dust in a vast universe that doesn't acknowledge me, I think that sounds more of a 9 to me, if that's what you're getting to.
    This also is 9. 4s tend to have a sense of themselves as being more "special", "different", "unique", etc.--they're image types, and they still crave mirroring in others. So they can have a greater sense of their own importance and then feel offended that no one recognizes this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    I'd hazard a guess at 9 based on your OP. Prolly 9w1.

    This, here, is textbook 9ness. Not 4ish at all.


    You've also noted some sort of connection to 6, which a 9 will have.

    Maybe 945 tritype?


    This also is 9. 4s tend to have a sense of themselves as being more "special", "different", "unique", etc.--they're image types, and they still crave mirroring in others. So they can have a greater sense of their own importance and then feel offended that no one recognizes this.
    9w1 Seems interesting because although I am not I guess you could say "actively" aggressive, which removes me from the 8 wing more, the 1 wing is very black and white'ish and has a strong stance on what is right and what is wrong, I am very into grayness into any issue regardless if the situation involves me or not a lot of the time, only once in a while will I stick up for something, so would I be a 9w1 (weak) or a weak balanced nine? I also saw myself as a 1 because I tend to be stiffer and "principled" than others (unfortunately, but I have went out of my comfort zone to prove people wrong)

    I guess, are 4's really that much of an attention seeker? I want to make a difference and be recognized in the world, so I guess I would be integrating to 3..

    Now the 945 tritype makes me seem I am a very withdrawn person, can a 459 tritype ignore the weight of the world and be his/her own? I guess it is possible, anything is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by underwaterthing View Post
    Which is more of a core issue for you: feeling unimportant and powerless, like a little speck of dust in a vast universe that doesn't acknowledge you or feeling simultaneously special and defective/flawed and like the universe singled you out somehow?
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    @underwaterthing

    Thanks for your response. That's a very good question. I think feeling unimportant and powerless, like a little speck of dust in a vast universe that doesn't acknowledge me, I think that sounds more of a 9 to me, if that's what you're getting to.
    Right, I meant that feeling unimportant and powerless is more of a 9 issue, while feeling both special and defective is more of a 4 issue. Sorry for my lack of clarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    9w1 Seems interesting because although I am not I guess you could say "actively" aggressive, which removes me from the 8 wing more, the 1 wing is very black and white'ish and has a strong stance on what is right and what is wrong, I am very into grayness into any issue regardless if the situation involves me or not a lot of the time, only once in a while will I stick up for something, so would I be a 9w1 (weak) or a weak balanced nine? I also saw myself as a 1 because I tend to be stiffer and "principled" than others (unfortunately, but I have went out of my comfort zone to prove people wrong)
    Well just the fact that you said you could identify with 1 made me thing it could be a wing. There are many who feel that you have both wings, myself included, so it's possible for you to be balanced, or not particularly favor one over the other.

    I guess, are 4's really that much of an attention seeker? I want to make a difference and be recognized in the world, so I guess I would be integrating to 3..
    Yeah, that could be 3. Not all 4s are attention seekers, per se, but they are an image type and how they are coming across in the eyes of others will always play a role.

    Now the 945 tritype makes me seem I am a very withdrawn person, can a 459 tritype ignore the weight of the world and be his/her own? I guess it is possible, anything is.
    It's more that you would use a lot of withdrawing strategies--going into your mind and contemplating as the first line of defense.. My mom's a 9 of this tritype, and yeah, she's pretty insular. She's easily drained and doesn't like to do too many things in one day in order to maintain her equilibrium. She's pretty much "her own", I'd say.

    Examine yourself for motivations as well as the behaviors inherent in each type, and that should help clarify things a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by underwaterthing View Post
    Right, I meant that feeling unimportant and powerless is more of a 9 issue, while feeling both special and defective is more of a 4 issue. Sorry for my lack of clarity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    Well just the fact that you said you could identify with 1 made me thing it could be a wing. There are many who feel that you have both wings, myself included, so it's possible for you to be balanced, or not particularly favor one over the other.


    Yeah, that could be 3. Not all 4s are attention seekers, per se, but they are an image type and how they are coming across in the eyes of others will always play a role.


    It's more that you would use a lot of withdrawing strategies--going into your mind and contemplating as the first line of defense.. My mom's a 9 of this tritype, and yeah, she's pretty insular. She's easily drained and doesn't like to do too many things in one day in order to maintain her equilibrium. She's pretty much "her own", I'd say.

    Examine yourself for motivations as well as the behaviors inherent in each type, and that should help clarify things a bit.
    I guess I would call myself a 1 wing then, now I guess I am a sexual instinct type? I am more imaginative and sensual I believe for one. I can be child-like as well I suppose. The social and self-preserve instinct I am not too sure of as of now.

    I can feel like your mom too on some day, but other days I'm energized and ready to take on the day I will do that.

    Thank you both for your participation.

    so/sx 9w1

    They want to contribute something new and passionate to society, but feel like too much of a social nonentity to do it. They may view themselves as 4ish due to issues around uniqueness, but these issues only arise because of how aware they are that others possess a sense of self, which only reinforces the 9's sense of nothingness....Since they know they lack a strong self, they lack hope about contributing something original. They resolve the quagmire either by spinning their wheels with fruitless and endless self-examination hoping to discover something deep about themselves or by conforming to various personalities and completely checking out. They are dispassionate in general but can seem more passionate, sad, or lively because they comply to a Oneish social instinct in the back of their head telling them how they should react and what's appropriate. They know underneath how internally unaffected they are. They are taken back by the possibilities of things they could imagine happening without stirring a real reaction in them and find it disturbing to think about how they could merge into anything... They can seem 7-like in their draw to books, people, beliefs, and adventures, but they are drawn to these outlets in hopes of receiving a sense of perspective and self. They have a nose for unconscious structures and may create a new language around patterns, themes, or archetypes in myths, traditions, history, and groups. They are easy to mistype because they can seem to run fully on the 'software" or agendas of different types. They may search for approval and validation like a 3, but reject the approval once they get it as if wondering why they would be worthy of admiration or attention in the first place. It's the 'agenda' 'software' itself they are addicted to, not the result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MWill View Post
    You sound more 5 than 4
    Thank you! That sounds like a compliment to me.

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