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    Default Can hard life circumstances such as going to jail, change someone's gut fix?

    So I've been wondering if hard life circumstances can change someone's gut fix. The gut fix that I am the most curious about is the 9 fix. So if let's say a peace loving 9w1 were to go to jail for whatever reason, do you think that the person's core type would change? Would they become like an 8 or so? Well I don't think that the person's core type would change personally, but I think that they may need to develop their 8 sub wing to survive for instance.

    However, what about someone whom is not a core 9, but only has a 9 gut fix? Like me for example? I have a 9w8 gut fix and I tended to hate confrontation as a child and to shy away from it. However, because of life circumstances, I have been very poor in the last few years and have been forced to live in very ghetto areas. I have been tried several times in these ghettos, and it has forced to me to become much harder and to not shy away from confrontation like I previously did. In my opinion, just as a survival mechanism I have gotten a lot harder over the years and I have since become much more aggressive. Is it possible that my 9w8 fix has morphed into an 8w9 fix, or have I just developed the hell out of my 8 wing?

    So do you think that hard life circumstances can change a person's gut type? Also, I can think of other situations that would harden up a person such as abuse, joining the military, prison, living in the ghetto, joining a gang, etc. But anyway, do you think that I am onto something with this?

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    Nothing from anyone? Really?

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    No. I think you may adopt another's style for the circumstance, but under it all is one core. I think masks are changeable, but the person underneath gets honed and refined, but not swapped.
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    I don't think so, myself. I think you just adapt as you have to.

    I am laid back and hate conflict. I want to live and let live and all get along. You can't really do that when you have young children. It's your job to teach them and a lot of times they have very different ideas than you do about how things should be done. Ideas that could get them hurt or killed or would cause them to grow up to be assholes.

    It can involve a lot of confrontation and over time, you learn to wear a bit of an air of authority just to save yourself the trouble of having to deal with constant knock down drag out conflict. What my grandma used to call "getting your bluff in."

    So now that my kids are nearly grown and they know how we do things and they can be reasoned with, I get to be more like a roommate than the boss. I pull out the big guns when I need to and it usually doesn't bother me much to do it, but I prefer to do it as little as possible.
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    Just because 9s don't like conflict doesn't mean they never do it. Just read the story of Bob Ross - a 9w1.

    Ross enlisted in the United States Air Force at age 17. The Air Force transferred him to Elmendorf Air Force Base[citation needed] (in Alaska), where he first saw the snow and mountains that later became recurring themes in his artwork. He developed his quick-painting technique to create art for sale in brief daily work breaks.[4] Having held military positions that required him to be, in his own words, "mean" and "tough," "the guy who makes you scrub the latrine, the guy who makes you make your bed, the guy who screams at you for being late to work," Ross decided that if he ever moved on from the military, "it wasn't going to be that way any more," vowing "never to scream again."[4]
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    I wonder if every 9 fixer has a violent period in their life and then vows "never again." I've had a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Just because 9s don't like conflict doesn't mean they never do it. Just read the story of Bob Ross - a 9w1.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ross

    I wonder if every 9 fixer has a violent period in their life and then vows "never again." I've had a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thursday View Post
    No. I think you may adopt another's style for the circumstance, but under it all is one core. I think masks are changeable, but the person underneath gets honed and refined, but not swapped.
    So then in my case, do you think that I just developed my wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    So then in my case, do you think that I just developed my wing.
    I don't know you, but harsh circumstances bolster your best abilities and expose your weaknesses. If you chose to hone your inherent traits into masterful traits, this would of course include your enneagram+wing AND your dominant function/auxiliary functions. The result seems like something new because of the higher level of functioning on which you now operate.
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    This is actually an interesting question @The Great One, one I have been considering myself. Actually, I've been wondering if I haven't changed types altogether. Here's my story:


    I think in my case, I'm just living in my gut-fix because I'm facing "gut issues", but who knows? In your case, Great One, I think you're simply taking on the cultural attributes of your time and place.

    For instance, when I first came here (before I became bitter and twisted) people still found me direct because the US emphasizes direct communication. I've got a very image-oriented 3ish cast to my worldview simply because in the US we emphasize using "image" to get ahead in the work place, yet this isn't the way things work everywhere. We really do pick up the "cultural aura" of our surroundings, so this may be the case with you.

    Anyhow, you're a 6, and 6s can be quite feisty even without an 8-fix. If you're really wondering, you should ask yourself if you're only adopting "normal" behaviors that help you get by, or if you're actually noticing 8ish motivations behind them.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thursday View Post
    I don't know you, but harsh circumstances bolster your best abilities and expose your weaknesses. If you chose to hone your inherent traits into masterful traits, this would of course include your enneagram+wing AND your dominant function/auxiliary functions. The result seems like something new because of the higher level of functioning on which you now operate.
    This is well put.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    This is actually an interesting question @The Great One, one I have been considering myself. Actually, I've been wondering if I haven't changed types altogether. Here's my story:


    I think in my case, I'm just living in my gut-fix because I'm facing "gut issues", but who knows? In your case, Great One, I think you're simply taking on the cultural attributes of your time and place.

    For instance, when I first came here (before I became bitter and twisted) people still found me direct because the US emphasizes direct communication. I've got a very image-oriented 3ish cast to my worldview simply because in the US we emphasize using "image" to get ahead in the work place, yet this isn't the way things work everywhere. We really do pick up the "cultural aura" of our surroundings, so this may be the case with you.

    Anyhow, you're a 6, and 6s can be quite feisty even without an 8-fix. If you're really wondering, you should ask yourself if you're only adopting "normal" behaviors that help you get by, or if you're actually noticing 8ish motivations behind them.

    Hope that helps.
    Well it looks like you and I have had similar lifestyles. I also have lived in immense poverty and have struggled with numerous medical problems, and have not had the money to fix them. This has made me much more self-serving, much more id, and has made me much more aggressive. I also now view the world as a struggle to survive and no longer view it as a happy place anymore.

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