Adapting your confrontation style to another person's: what is this reminiscent with?

[Chad of the OttomanEmpire]

[MENTION=18576]Sanjuro[/MENTION]



In your video's you don't have the presence of an 8, you have the presence of a 9 fixer.

You mean [MENTION=5418]Lady X[/MENTION]

 

[The Great One]

You mean [MENTION=5418]Lady X[/MENTION]

Yeah I meant her. The damn screen froze and I couldn't get it to load. Really I didn't even think that comment was going to go through.

 

[Chad of the OttomanEmpire]

Yeah, you have me there, it does seem more like a person with an 8 fix rather than a 9 fix.

Indeed.

I still don't know if I can see myself as a 638 though. I don't know about how the women come off, but I know that the 638 men that I've known tend to basically be the "tough guy" whom is extremely insecure and feels like they have to prove themselves to the world. I don't know if I identify with that description.

Is that in the descriptions, though, or is that just your observation? Again, my dad's this tritype, and I don't see him this way at all! He's a guy committed to making his workplace "fair" and is generally overwhelmed by self-doubts and his own anxious ruminations rather than trying to "prove" himself. He does have an impulsive temper, though, and is considered "difficult". Not a pseudo-tough guy though.

Well at least we can agree on this.

Do you agree with me though, that she thinks that most people that say they are 8 fixed are full of shit? Also, what did Boss think that your fix was?

Just about everyone on that website will think you're full of shit if you say you're an 8 or 8-fixed. I wouldn't blame it on that particular user. At first, she did think I was 8-fixed till I was basically forced to speak against myself at one point, due to complex circumstances and shortcomings to my own ideals. Now it's "common knowledge" that I am 9-fixed.

Which is like, lol.

I don't really believe that each type has both wings. I subscribe to sub-wing theory.

Really? I see exactly both my wings happening inside me every day. It's thought in some circles that the type is created out of the tensions between two surrounding types; Naranjo, who is highly regarded, insists that we should see ourselves in the psychologies of the surrounding types. He hasn't really said much about wing theory at all.

I buy that, because it's true for me, and I've seen it in others I've known well.

So for instance, according to my theory:

-The 8w7(7w6) is ridiculously confrontational and also has a more head-centerish energy compared to the rest of the 8's. They are probably the most confrontational of all the 8's. They are also probably the most energetic. Think Tony Montana and think Tuco from "Breaking Bad".

-The 8w7(sw9w8) is also confrontational but sometimes they just let confrontation go because they just don't give a damn. Their energy is still somewhat fast paced, but slower and less flashy than the 8w7(sw7w6). They aren't really that head-center at all and come off as EXTREMELY gut-center. Think Tywin Lannister from "Game of Thrones".

-The 8w9(sw7w8) is more confrontational than the 8w7(sw9w8) but less confrontational than the 8w7(sw7w6). They tend to be the "tell it how it is" 8w9. They tend to be very brave and charismatic leaders and don't tend to hold back. Think Dr. Martin Luther King and Dr. Phil.

-The 8w9(sw9w1) is almost like a grizzly bear. They give off a "Don't mess with me" vibe, and you know not cross them, but they don't necessarily come off as scary as the other 8's. This is probably the most gut center of all the 8's. This 8 can sometimes be confused with a 9, because they often times will avoid confrontation if they don't view the other person as a threat. However, again, you still know not to mess with them. Good examples of this type of 8 are Mike from "Breaking Bad" and the guy with the burned face from "Game of Thrones".

That's some good work. Thanks for putting that in. DOCTOR PHIL.

But, I must point out, that reading this would make think I wasn't 8-related at all! I get kinda tired of the confrontational "tough guy" stuff associated with the type, actually. It does other things to me which I think are more important than me being confrontational or scary all the time. (Actually, I'm scarier for being withdrawn, apparently. LOL). It's a big part of the reason I moved off 8 at one point. Just sayin'.

 

[Chad of the OttomanEmpire]

Yeah I meant her. The damn screen froze and I couldn't get it to load. Really I didn't even think that comment was going to go through.

Site went down temporarily. Here too.

 

[Lady_X]

@Sanjuro



In your video's you don't have the presence of an 8, you have the presence of a 9 fixer.

So the 9 fix is what gives me that mellow vibe? Like people call me hippyish ?

And the the sx Dom is the thing. That makes sense.

 

[Riva]

Hmm... humans mirror without knowing. This could be a human thingy and subconscious tend..... e6. E6 is my guess.

I think if you relate to both 8 and 1 then 9 is possible too. Like what [MENTION=6561]OrangeAppled[/MENTION] often says about a type being a mix of the two adjacent types around it (which I agree with).



For example, as a 7 I still see 8ish tendencies in myself even though 8 shows up almost nowhere in my type besides my last fix's subwing.

Pls share the link you quoted that from.

 

[HongDou]

Pls share the link you quoted that from.

http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/151501-type-9-excerpts-maitri.html

 

[The Great One]

[MENTION=18576]Sanjuro[/MENTION]

Is that in the descriptions, though, or is that just your observation? Again, my dad's this tritype, and I don't see him this way at all! He's a guy committed to making his workplace "fair" and is generally overwhelmed by self-doubts and his own anxious ruminations rather than trying to "prove" himself. He does have an impulsive temper, though, and is considered "difficult". Not a pseudo-tough guy though.

Just an observation. I guess I could be wrong though.

Just about everyone on that website will think you're full of shit if you say you're an 8 or 8-fixed. I wouldn't blame it on that particular user. At first, she did think I was 8-fixed till I was basically forced to speak against myself at one point, due to complex circumstances and shortcomings to my own ideals. Now it's "common knowledge" that I am 9-fixed.

Which is like, lol.

Yeah that's the common folklore on these sites.

Really? I see exactly both my wings happening inside me every day. It's thought in some circles that the type is created out of the tensions between two surrounding types; Naranjo, who is highly regarded, insists that we should see ourselves in the psychologies of the surrounding types. He hasn't really said much about wing theory at all.

I buy that, because it's true for me, and I've seen it in others I've known well.

You probably are an 8w9(sw7w8) fixer, that's why.

That's some good work. Thanks for putting that in. DOCTOR PHIL.

But, I must point out, that reading this would make think I wasn't 8-related at all! I get kinda tired of the confrontational "tough guy" stuff associated with the type, actually. It does other things to me which I think are more important than me being confrontational or scary all the time. (Actually, I'm scarier for being withdrawn, apparently. LOL). It's a big part of the reason I moved off 8 at one point. Just sayin'.

8 is a confrontation type. Anyone that would deny this is an idiot.

On a side note, you did also say that you weren't interested in sex or relationships on another thread. I clearly remember arguing with you about the validity of you being an actual sx dom because of this.

 

[Chad of the OttomanEmpire]

Just an observation. I guess I could be wrong though.

As I see it, there are all sorts of people, in every tritype. I wouldn't let your experience with 638 posers determine what you could/could not be.

Yeah that's the common folklore on these sites.

And it is bullshit, for reference. The best thing I ever did was leave that site and read some real enneagram books.

You probably are an 8w9(sw7w8) fixer, that's why.

That's about right. Problem is, I'm more identified with 7 than 9 right now.

8 is a confrontation type. Anyone that would deny this is an idiot.

Luckily, I don't deny that 8s are confrontational, so you don't have to think I'm an idiot! However, I would emphasize that much of this confrontation can be geared towards problems and difficult circumstances, rather than picking on people. As I experience it, 8 is more about selfish self-interest, feeling "at war" with the world, and hardening oneself against adversity. Confrontation is a mere by-product of this particular psychology, and plenty of 8-fixers and core 8s alike have mistyped due to not seeing themselves as being "that mean" or "a jerk".

On a side note, you did also say that you weren't interested in sex or relationships on another thread. I clearly remember arguing with you about the validity of you being an actual sx dom because of this.

I believe that's your interpretation of my words. Show me the specific quote where I said that, and we can talk.

I don't recall saying it; I do recall saying that I have never experienced "limerence", because I don't like feeling out of control and sentimental, and moreover, that limerence is a human phenomenon in general, not pegged specifically to the sx instinct. The sx is more about focusing to an obsessive degree on someone/something that captures interest. It does touch on sexual and desirability issues, of course--but is more than that alone. True infatuation, however, is a result of a chemical shift in one's brain.

I've also said I can reject and deny that instinct and my needs for it--the key being that it's a vehement reaction against it, much as socials can be anti-social. If I'm sx-second or -last, I'd question why I've got such an adverse instinctive response to this instinct. Doesn't stop the desperation I've felt when I'm alone with my thoughts.

Anyway. TTYL.

 

[The Great One]

So the 9 fix is what gives me that mellow vibe? Like people call me hippyish ?

And the the sx Dom is the thing. That makes sense.

To tell the honest to God truth, your energy comes off 749. You have a very Jane from "Breaking Bad" energy to yourself. Just imagine that Jane was never a drug user or anything and imagine that she was a healthy individual, and you will see what I mean. I really can't see you as a 792 tri-type either because they are the most happy and friendly mofos on the face of the planet. They are like Spongebob Squarepants mofos. They come off as happy, energetic, and they almost seem like they would be on the Disney Channel or something. You don't come off like that in your video AT ALL.

I can't really see you as a 782 either, because that is basically THE MOST extroverted type. The 782 is a lot like the 278 in that they come off as very upbeat and happy most of the time. The main difference is that 782 is more aggressive. When I picture the 782, I envision the party animal who throws huge parties at his/her house all the time that everyone comes to, and that basically gladly shares their drinks, food, (sometimes drugs), etc, with people. You don't come off as 782 at all.

I also can't see you as a 784 tri-type either. This tri-type is what I like to refer to as the, "Triple Fuck-You Triad". Types 7, do their own thing and don't really worry about what others think and what everyone else is doing, and so do types 8 and 4. This is why I call this the, "Triple Fuck-You" triad. This type usually has a VERY LOUD presence and are usually Sx dom. This type often times comes off as overly aggressive, and they are often apologetically opinionated. In other words, they come off like the user, "Mane". You don't come off like that at all.

However, the 479 comes off as a creative, peaceful, and gentle spirit. They often come off like Hippies to tell the truth. They often come off like a typical woman that you would see doing yoga or the kind of gal that's into introspective spiritual stuff. That's really the kind of vibe that I get from you. If this type is a core 7, they often look like a 4 as well. They often come off like a very creative artist as well. They often have a dark and mysterious vibe to them as well.

 

[Lady_X]

To tell the honest to God truth, your energy comes off 749. You have a very Jane from "Breaking Bad" energy to yourself. Just imagine that Jane was never a drug user or anything and imagine that she was a healthy individual, and you will see what I mean. I really can't see you as a 792 tri-type either because they are the most happy and friendly mofos on the face of the planet. They are like Spongebob Squarepants mofos. They come off as happy, energetic, and they almost seem like they would be on the Disney Channel or something. You don't come off like that in your video AT ALL.

I can't really see you as a 782 either, because that is basically THE MOST extroverted type. The 782 is a lot like the 278 in that they come off as very upbeat and happy most of the time. The main difference is that 782 is more aggressive. When I picture the 782, I envision the party animal who throws huge parties at his/her house all the time that everyone comes to, and that basically gladly shares their drinks, food, (sometimes drugs), etc, with people. You don't come off as 782 at all.

I also can't see you as a 784 tri-type either. This tri-type is what I like to refer to as the, "Triple Fuck-You Triad". Types 7, do their own thing and don't really worry about what others think and what everyone else is doing, and so do types 8 and 4. This is why I call this the, "Triple Fuck-You" triad. This type usually has a VERY LOUD presence and are usually Sx dom. This type often times comes off as overly aggressive, and they are often apologetically opinionated. In other words, they come off like the user, "Mane". You don't come off like that at all.

However, the 479 comes off as a creative, peaceful, and gentle spirit. They often come off like Hippies to tell the truth. They often come off like a typical woman that you would see doing yoga or the kind of gal that's into introspective spiritual stuff. That's really the kind of vibe that I get from you. If this type is a core 7, they often look like a 4 as well. They often come off like a very creative artist as well. They often have a dark and mysterious vibe to them as well.

hey thanks so much for your take on all that! i would say that being described as hippish has always been the most common theme for me. gentle and calm but i do have opinions and don't back down but more often than not i diffuse with a bit of charm or people are just nice to me because i'm nice to them.

thanks for sharing your thread with me haha

my type 4 bf does not see it but i wonder if it's just expressed in a different way or that it's 4w3 and just feels different...or that it's my last fix or something.

people always say i seem artsy...and i am in love with all things creative. like if i won the lottery i would just spend my time taking various art and design courses.

 

[The Great One]

[MENTION=18576]Sanjuro[/MENTION]

As I see it, there are all sorts of people, in every tritype. I wouldn't let your experience with 638 posers determine what you could/could not be.

My childhood was not congruent with a 638 tri-type at all. I didn't come off as a bold nor assertive personality at all. In fact, I was basically a bitch-ass as a child. I was basically the wimpy kid that everyone picked on as a child. Have you ever seen the, "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" movies? Yeah that was basically me when I was little. That isn't 638 my friend, it just isn't.

And it is bullshit, for reference. The best thing I ever did was leave that site and read some real enneagram books.

You would have hated typewatch even more then. They all basically just brainwash you into thinking that you're a certain type there. If you disagree with them, they call you an ignoramus as well. Oh, and everyone is "supposedly" sexual last on that site. Pretty much every SX dom that I have known that has gone there has been mis-typed. Elfboy was a 3w4 sp/so there, I was a 6w5 so/sp, Promethea was a 6w7 so/sp and they typed her as ENFP (LMAO), and Pink Rasputin was 6w7 so/sp. That site was ridiculous, and I'm almost happy that I got banned.

That's about right. Problem is, I'm more identified with 7 than 9 right now.

So you think that you are 8w7(sw9w8) fixed then?

Luckily, I don't deny that 8s are confrontational, so you don't have to think I'm an idiot! However, I would emphasize that much of this confrontation can be geared towards problems and difficult circumstances, rather than picking on people. As I experience it, 8 is more about selfish self-interest, feeling "at war" with the world, and hardening oneself against adversity. Confrontation is a mere by-product of this particular psychology, and plenty of 8-fixers and core 8s alike have mistyped due to not seeing themselves as being "that mean" or "a jerk".

Only unhealthy 8's tend to bully people.

I believe that's your interpretation of my words. Show me the specific quote where I said that, and we can talk.

I don't recall saying it; I do recall saying that I have never experienced "limerence", because I don't like feeling out of control and sentimental, and moreover, that limerence is a human phenomenon in general, not pegged specifically to the sx instinct. The sx is more about focusing to an obsessive degree on someone/something that captures interest. It does touch on sexual and desirability issues, of course--but is more than that alone. True infatuation, however, is a result of a chemical shift in one's brain.

I've also said I can reject and deny that instinct and my needs for it--the key being that it's a vehement reaction against it, much as socials can be anti-social. If I'm sx-second or -last, I'd question why I've got such an adverse instinctive response to this instinct. Doesn't stop the desperation I've felt when I'm alone with my thoughts.

Anyway. TTYL.

I will find this quote for you and post it a little later. This will take some time.

 

[The Great One]

hey thanks so much for your take on all that! i would say that being described as hippish has always been the most common theme for me. gentle and calm but i do have opinions and don't back down but more often than not i diffuse with a bit of charm or people are just nice to me because i'm nice to them.

thanks for sharing your thread with me haha

my type 4 bf does not see it but i wonder if it's just expressed in a different way or that it's 4w3 and just feels different...or that it's my last fix or something.

people always say i seem artsy...and i am in love with all things creative. like if i won the lottery i would just spend my time taking various art and design courses.

This page describes all the tri-types in full. See which ones you relate to the most...

http://personalitycafe.com/enneagram-personality-theory-forum/73452-27-tritype-archetype-descriptions.html

278 description...

278– The Free Spirit but they also identify with Humanitarian Archetype

827 Caring and innovative 8. Most people-oriented 8. Likes to be in relationship. Gentle and helpful, especially with 9 wing.

278 tritype, that personifies the outgoing, helpful and confident nature of that lively archetype.

(2)-7-8 - The Aggressive 2
2-(7)-8 - The Power-Seeking 7
2-7-(8) - The Positive 8

Very hardy individual and other-focused. Fun, charming, and sexual.

278 is the most enthusiastic, joyful. positive and exuberant tritype. They are people focused and aim to please. They must help like the 126 but are their own authority and follow their own muse like the 478. They are gregarious and funny.

278, 782, 827 - The Free Spirit: You like to use your charming, sunny disposition to create an upbeat, positive, and action-packed environment. You are also very nurturing to those in your circle of care. Your life mission is to be an instrument of change, transforming difficult situations into moments of inspiration. A true free spirit, you are happiest when you are on the go and helping others to learn to act on their own behalf. Your blind spot is that you can be so focused on keeping everything positive and honest that you can be too aggressive and fail to recognize the importance of difficult emtions. You also keep busy and in motion to avoid painful feelings. Your growing edge is to recognize that you need to always be postivie, upbeat, and free can limit your ability to self reflect and fully be yourself. True happiness and joy come from being present to your higher self and experiencing all of your emotions.

eight with a two fix: the overtly magnanimous and big hearted eight. sacrificial-dominant
style of relating to others; as protector, big spender, mama-bear
quality.

87?: Focused, intuitive, and innovative. Most assertive and noncomforming 8. Moody, intense, eccentric, entrepreneurial 8 especially if sx.

The 827 is extremely positive, upbeat and helpful. They take charge but do so with a light touch that is sensitive to the needs of others. They are often humanitarians that focus on manifesting their vision..... Excess meets gluttony and pride... When the core fears of these three types unite it can create a defense strategy that is quite compassionate but can also struggle with issues of arrogance and/or pride about what they do.

*Most freedom loving-827, 278, 728

478 description:

478 – The Messenger Archetype

The 847 is the passionate, cutting edge, innovative, compassionate, freedom seeking, creative, non conformist focused on implementing and manifesting their original vision.

*Most freedom loving--478, 874, 784

sexual 748 is a very flamboyant type...748/847/478 is the most in need of freedom. This is the messenger archetype that feels they have a message to impart and wants the freedom to explore themselves and their external worlds. WIth 7 in charge it's an extremely hard to pin down type, that typically has no problems expressing the flamboyancy this tritype can bring (with 4 in charge the self consciousness can take over, like with myself, and with 8 in charge you get more of a playful 7ish 8, like Pink or Katherine Fauvre). She also said it's the least political of the tritypes (except maybe the 548 tritype) because of the outspoken nature of the three types coming to together (which helps explain why the whole political nature of grad school completely evades me).

478/784/847 Description: If you are the 478, you are intuitive, innovative and straight-forward. You want to be original, inspirational and self-possessed. A cutting-edge tracker of both your internal and external worlds, you are an unconventional, passionate master of solutions. Outwardly, you are confident but inwardly you are emotionally vulnerable. Life Mission: Your life mission is to find truth and communicate your findings. A true messenger, you are happiest when you use your creativity to find compassionate ways to understand yourself and empower others. Blind Spot: You can be so focused on your opinions, insights and what is new and profound that your freedom seeking nature can come across as arrogant, resistant, and/or uncooperative.
That blind spot was huge for me, having everyone in my life nod in agreement when it's read to them was a little hard, I really don't see myself as uncooperative but that's the nature of having a blind spot. My grandmother is a sp7w8 748 and we are very similar, she can seem so adamant about getting her way that it can look extremely childish if she really digs in. However, I try other tactics before getting to that but eventually the boundaries harden and flexibility I normally have completely disintegrates.

847: Intuitive and innovative. Most creative, original and noncomforming 8. Moody, intense, eccentric 8 especially if sx.

874 and 854 are very similar and can be difficult to distinguish as 8 has access to both 7 and 5. What is helpful is to look at the differences between 7 and 5. The most critical aspect engagement. The 7 engages and brings a positive outlook to the 84_. The 5 is more internal and brings more introversion and reserve. The 874 is more outgoing and spontaneous. it is the difference between facts vs activities.

478 and 451 are very different types of 4. The 478 is intensely individualistic and more assertive whereas the 451 is individualistic but much more introspective and reserved. The 478 is somewhat optimistic and focuses more on the need for inspiration than the 451. The 451 is more particular and is more motivated by gathering meaningful information that is useful.
(4)-7-8 - The Aggressive 4
4-(7)-8 - The Reactive 7
4-7-(8) - The idealistic 8

Somewhat manic. Dramatic and somewhat confrontational. Uncontrolled emotions.

eight with a four fix: the moody, loner eight. distinct outsider quality; as if on a highly
personal mission. tendency to feel exempt from conventional rules
and circumstances.

If 478 there is an emphasis on freedom, inspiration and diversity.

This tritype is the most creative type on the enneagram regardless of which type is in charge. This creativity may or may not have artistic talent but always has a sense of aesthetics. All three crave authenticity, depth and individuality,
The 487 craves attention, affirmation and mirroring more than autonomy and freedom. They need to be mirrored as not only unique but highly original. Their greatest demands are those they make of themselves.
The 847 craves autonomy and must be the master and commander of their lives. The 847 does not seek mirroring unless very narcissistic. All narcissistic types demand an undo amount of mirroring to feel safe. The 487 uses the power of indifference when in defense.

847: Intuitive and innovative. Most creative, original and noncomforming 8. Moody, intense, eccentric 8 especially if sx.

784: Direct and intuitive 7. Most independent, original and creative 7. Can be moody. Most non-conforming, and intense 7.

4-7-8 is the most individualistic and fun-loving 4. Appear more self-possessed as sadness is hidden.

For example, if you were an 8-7-4, you would have secondary strategies that are very different than an 8-2-6. The 8-7-4 is a fast paced creative, feelingful and optimistic Type 8 whereas the 8-2-6 is a more cynical, loyal and helpful Type 8.
the 874 is a fast-paced, optimistic, creative, and emotional type 8 whereas the 826 is a more dutiful, loyal and helpful type 8.

874 and 854 are very similar and can be difficult to distinguish as 8 has access to both 7 and 5. What is helpful is to look at the differences between 7 and 5. The most critical aspect engagement. The 7 engages and brings a positive outlook to the 84_. The 5 is more internal and brings more introversion and reserve. The 874 is more outgoing and spontaneous. it is the difference between facts vs activities.

If your primary Type is 8, you might have a Tritype configuration of 8-7-4. The primary Enneagram Type for you would be Type 8, however, this Tritype combination indicates that you would most likely be a strong, positive person who seeks solutions (8), options (7) and meaning (4). What is fascinating is that if the strategy of Type 8 fails to give you the desired results of overcoming obstacles, you would then employ the strategy of Type 7 and then if needed Type 4.

the 748 is a messenger of the new...always ahead of their time...triple creative, innovative doers...no restrictions....must have freedom...original thinkers that follow their own muse and must get the message out.

784--visionary, powerful and aesthetically brilliant, always ahead of the curve

874 tritype feels lighter and more enthusiastic to me, than does the 847 tritype, which feels more like a strike of lightning burrowing into the ground.

Perhaps the tritype is 847 where 7 acts as an ever-running generator, constantly humming underneath the surface. The 7 energy operates more like "monkey mind" than a physically expressed energy.

As an sx 874 I feel called to discover as much as I can about human nature and then share what I learned. Some of my greatest moments of clarity have come during times of great adversity. When I feel grief and loss it always feels personal and I feel separate from others. When I allow the pain and suffering the 8 wants to avoid, I am able to connect to that which is universal and know that all people everywhere understand the meaning of loss. This is when I remember that I am never truly alone or separate

The 458, 468 and 478 are all truth tellers in their own way. The 458 and 478 are their own authorities.

The 847 is more extroverted intuition with the attention going outward. It is a lighter and is more optimistic

Finally, the 479 description...

479 Gentle Spirit Archetype

479

This is the sort of sprite or fairy like tritype. There is a need to remain positive while still searching for meaning. The blindspot is that there is an attraction to magical thinking and missed opportunities to speak their truth so they find themselves glossing over negative feeling states in favor of something more comfortable or positive. When 4 is in charge there's a tendency to not see all the ways in which depression or sadness is evaded through this magical thinking process.

the life mission is that this is the true healer archetype. They are often found doing bodywork or other healing practices as these are the 3 types that have a desire to transform. They like to inspire people toward happiness through expressing their creativity in a peaceful non-intrusive way.

She said this is the most lyrical type, a sort of ethereal archetype (so is the 459 but it is a more withdrawn ethereal quality, almost wispy and ghost like) whereas the energy here is lighter and more impish or I think when it's a male energy you get a strong trickster archetype (like dfgray). Playful yet meaningful. Very idealistic (although not quite as idealistic as the 471) but still concerned with maintaining positivity and feelings of being up. I think Regina Spektor is an example of this archetype with 4 in charge.

I'm actually put off by the idea of being in a "healing profession", though there's a strong likelihood that 7-4-9 is my tritype. I guess it's a reluctance to mix energies with society at large, or something of that nature. I wouldn't want to be in a profession where I constantly had to touch people. I'm not a cold person, I just wouldn't want a day filled with people-touching, if that makes sense.
EDIT: Oh, also, I would have to say "reluctant to show anything negative" is not such a likely descriptor for me.
Katherine said the 479 (749, 947) all took some kind of issue with the term "healer", even if they were in healing professions or were attracted to it. She was wondering what it was about that term that was off-putting, so what you've shared above is interesting (from a 7 perspective).
She said this is the gentle soul tritype that has a healing presence on others whether or not they intend to so when she says healer this is what she means as opposed to being vocationally attracted to the healing arts (although this is very common with this tritype).

I think for me when I was deciding between 479 and 478 I realized that my tendency to push, and shake up overrides my tendency to calm down. Although I can do both. I ultimately didn't end up going into counseling because I am a.) too impatient b.) too bossy and directive and c.) need to have more freedom to invite change than that discipline can allow.

So while I consider myself attracted to healing, and am interested in healing arts (energy healing, reiki, etc). I want to manifest it through a more intense and provocative way. Something that shakes people up in order to invite growth and development.

When 8 replaces the 9 you get more of a sense of groundedness or at least more practicality and realism that can seem a little harder edged and less lyrical.

For me there's less of a tendency toward optimism for the sake of being positive or keeping it light, although I don't like for things to get too serious, but if things need to be serious than I'm willing to go there. It's more of an if it's ugly, let's look at it. I actually struggle with that within myself; needing to see it if it's ugly (4 and 5 wing) with a propensity toward evasiveness and denial (with the 7 and 8) it's a strange mixture. Katherine says with 9 it (whatever "it" may be) must be transmuted into something lyrical, beautiful or playful to be tolerable.

you are very identified with the defense of optimism and tend to hid your more painful feelings and pessimism for fear of being rejected. you see the wonder in beauty and are gentle, lyrical, and idealistic in the way you relate to others. you are attracted to the healing profession or arts.
your life mission is to identify what is truly meaningful in life and help people transform negative feeling into positive change. a true gentle spirit, you feel happiest when you have creative expression to reconnect with your innermost self and facilitate change.
your blind spot is that you can be so focused on ideal circumstances that you become trapped in magical thinking and fail to speak your higher truth and act in accordance with your true feelings.
your growing edge is to speak your truth even if it will create conflict with others. going along to get along or to keep things light and upbeat denies the truth of the moment and can cause you to become distant from yourself. higher love has a voice and true joy is not dependent on the image of being happy.

This tritype [927] is the most identified with seeing themselves as peaceful. More than any other tritype, they need peace and positive relating to experience a sense of being... so are extremely uncomfortable with negativity in relationships. The 479 doesn't like it but expects it.

4 and 7 together combine to create a sense of the creative, intuitive, magical and imaginative. The gut type determines the flavor. 479s are elegant, wispy and ethereal. When 4 is dominant the 4 is reluctant to show their edgy, more negative emotions. The emphasis is on having an image that is deep but not seen as difficult. Suffering is more private.

The 749 is the 7 that is the most elusive, liquid and fluid. They are positive in a gentle way with a touch of sadness. They are identified with being deep but still future oriented and forward moving whereas the 479 is identified with past and what is missing and believed to be of importance.

The 947 usually thinks that they are the 4 as they see life as bittersweet and feel deeply but they are not as intense as the 4 or as hungry for diversity and experience as the 7. The 947 and 974 seek harmonic resonance more than the the 479 or 794. They want depth and beauty but seek peace and tranquility more. They pine in a quiet gentle manner. They lack voltage...and struggle with naming their preferences in the face of adversity. Think of Dr Zhivago as an archetype of the 947. The 479, 749 and 947 are all very gentle and nostalgic.

If you have the sexual instinct as dominant you could easily identify with 974. The 972 is less ethereal and more focused on being positive. The 974 knows that they feel unhappy, they are more inclined to hide so that they will not be rejected for being negative.

All of the 79 combinations are somewhat positive. The 279 is focused on being pleasant. The 379 the most positive. The 479 Is positive outwardly but doesn't always feel it.

The 479 report that they feat that if they show negative emotions they might be rejected.

The 479 with 4 dominant feels devastated by negative mirroring. If a flaw is pointed out if feels disheartening. With negative feedback, the 479 will have trouble holding on to their sense of self... Self esteem suffers as the 479's sens of self is too fluid and takes the shape of the last mirror.

For the most part, 479s like to be in the healing/helping professions where they have the opportunity to use their intuition and creativity.

The 471 and the 479 are both focused on the vision, creativity and the magical. The difference is in the gut center. The 471 has 3 types with access to 1, so are very critical of themselves and feel they must manifest the vision. The 479 is less strident and more soft-spoken and gentle. They are dreamers and intuit but can be shy about pushing to manifest.

9s fear being in conflict. 479 vs 469. Look at the level of confidence and optimism. The 7 brings a light touch with magical thinking, hoping for the best. In contrast, the 6 brings support and loyalty. Both are highly intuitive but the 469 has more doubts - The 479 is more future oriented, focusing on the possibilities. The 469 is more dutiful with a heavier heart, fearing that they can't make enough of a difference.

479 do not realize how healing their gentle nature can be. Your life mission is to identify what is truly meaningful in life and help people transform negative feeling into positive change.
The 479 is more inclined to side step, make nice, and try to get along as conflict feel unbearable.


If you are a 479, you are intuitive, innovative and accepting. You want to be original, positive and peaceful. You are very identified with the defense of optimism and tend to hide your more painful feelings and pessimism for fear of being rejected. You see the wonder in beauty and are gentle, lyrical and idealistic in the way you relate to others.

Inwardly they feel a lot of intensity, especially if they are the sexual instinct. identification is with gentleness and can feel uncomfortable if they share something negative.

479 and 379 I have deemed the "cool guy" tritypes. When 4 is there you get that sort of archetype of the cool artist, laid back, playful, witty, but with a sort of "hidden sorrow". You sense there is more there but that they are keeping you at bay in order to avoid dipping too much into the swamp.
7-4-9 (and the variations thereof) would have a goodly dose of magical thinking. Tending to overdose (in some form) on imagination and whim.

If you knew just how off-base the names 'Healer' and 'Gentle Spirit' are for the 9-4-7 tritype, and how slanted the name 'Ambassador' is for the 9-3-7 (or as you imply 9-4-7 with a very heavy Three wing), how pronounced the narcissistism and exhibitionism of these two tritypes can be, you might perhaps not be so eager to identify with them. Also, the challenge to feel grounded in the physical world, or at least in one's own physicality, is part of the Nine itself, not to mention the Four.

--'a more abandoning and erratic 9. An insatiable and emotionally discriminating 9.':
I'm 974 and others wouldn't describe me as 'erratic' (nor would I). I think 'abandoning and erratic' comes from your so/sx stack, which comes through as a loud note, to me, in your posts.

As for "insatiable and emotionally discriminating", I think this also taps your stack. Your so/sx-ness brings forward the more gregarious aspect of the 7 in your tritype, which manifests as a more-extroverted interplay with those in your presence - though I'm not saying you're an extrovert - there's just more desire for inclusion there. For me (sp/sx), the 7 in my tritype shows up more exclusively as "private mental fun", with only a small interest in "sharing the good times with y'all".

The 4 (in my tritype) shows up as a focus on aesthetics (including a pretty high degree of full-on snobbery in that area), plus life-long issues with depression and feelings of being valueless.

479 - Innovative and accepting 4. Most positive 4. May have defense of optimism hiding pessimism as sadness is hidden.

Also, both sevens and nines have a tendency to want to avoid dealing with negative situations for different reasons...with 7-9-4, I'd guess there would be a lot more denial than the usual 7, but with 4 in there it couldn't be kept up for as long, so there might be cycles of denial-and-crash. There would probably be more underlying self-doubt than is normally found in seven, as well as using the withdrawing defense a bit more.

Yeah, I think seven brings a mild denial through optimism...and then nines tend to get into a bit of denial, because of their desire to avoid conflict/upsetting their equilibrium, so if nine were one of your tritypes, you'd probably have a bit of the "optimistic denial" of 7, but a bit of the "I don't want to deal with this" denial of 9, as well. By contrast, an 8 tritype would probably be more of a sobering influence on the seven, and 1 would probably add a bit of criticality and increased perfectionism (also making for a triple frustration type, with the 4 and 7...but probably less likely due to what you said about the "live and let live" approach to people.)

Cate Blanchet could be a 4. I see the 479 or 471 tritype...ethereal one moment strident the next. But there is a gentleness in her energy that seems more 479.

(4)-7-9 - The Positive 4
4-(7)-9 - The Withdrawn 7
4-7-(9) - The idealistic 9

A dreamer in every sense of the word. They love to go on flights of imagination, and dream up fantasy worlds. They may often find themselves disappointed in the real world however.

974: intuitive and innovative 9. Most creative 9, especially with an 8 wing (i would think 1 wing here). Tends to be moody. Extraverted 7ish.

As a 9-4-7, I value emotion in a 4-ish way. But the valuing seems once-removed in relation to my 9-ness. It's a belief (about emotion), and though beliefs affect behavior and attitude, in the case of the secondary tritype elements, they're not as reflexive as the response from the primary type.

The 479 is more gentle...and more ethereal. The 479 displays congenial attitudes and hides their feelings of anger for fear of being rejected. The 469 is more phobic than the 468. The 479 seems more easy going as they are more conflict-avoidant. They can demonstrate the outbursts of the sexual 4 when there is a threat to intimacy but feel terrible shame as their identity is built around being gentle and kind. The 468 feels more inclined to be the truth teller at all costs so they take greater risks.

As 4 is dominant, in addition to seeing themselves as intuitive and deep with a need for beauty and aesthetics....The 479s see themselves as loving, innovative and gentle, the 468 as intense and iconoclastic and the 469 as thoughtful and introspective.

 

[Chad of the OttomanEmpire]

My childhood was not congruent with a 638 tri-type at all. I didn't come off as a bold nor assertive personality at all. In fact, I was basically a bitch-ass as a child. I was basically the wimpy kid that everyone picked on as a child. Have you ever seen the, "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" movies? Yeah that was basically me when I was little. That isn't 638 my friend, it just isn't.

My childhood wasn't congruent with 8ness, either--I got bullied, I withdrew, I whined, I complained, I self-pitied, I never got into any fights, and I didn't create problems. School is an artificially forced social circumstance that makes us all slightly batshit. Don't measure yourself by that. I didn't really become warlike till I hit puberty, and even then, only in my head. It took major life trauma before I even saw the ugly side of 8.

You would have hated typewatch even more then. They all basically just brainwash you into thinking that you're a certain type there. If you disagree with them, they call you an ignoramus as well. Oh, and everyone is "supposedly" sexual last on that site. Pretty much every SX dom that I have known that has gone there has been mis-typed. Elfboy was a 3w4 sp/so there, I was a 6w5 so/sp, Promethea was a 6w7 so/sp and they typed her as ENFP (LMAO), and Pink Rasputin was 6w7 so/sp. That site was ridiculous, and I'm almost happy that I got banned.

I've heard stories, including that one girl was bullied so bad she committed suicide. I'd almost love to go there and see what they say about me, actually, though luckily, I'm not good enough at making friends to get invited.

So you think that you are 8w7(sw9w8) fixed then?

I don't accord it a wing.

Only unhealthy 8's tend to bully people.

Agreed.

I will find this quote for you and post it a little later. This will take some time.

Sure, take your time. This isn't about me right now.

 

[HongDou]

I really can't see you as a 792 tri-type either because they are the most happy and friendly mofos on the face of the planet. They are like Spongebob Squarepants mofos. They come off as happy, energetic, and they almost seem like they would be on the Disney Channel or something.

I knew I was always meant for stardom.

 

[Chad of the OttomanEmpire]

I knew I was always meant for stardom.

I really can't see you as a 792 tri-type either because they are the most happy and friendly mofos on the face of the planet. They are like Spongebob Squarepants mofos. They come off as happy, energetic, and they almost seem like they would be on the Disney Channel or something.

LOL guys. I have a friend I think is 729 or 279...and I always called her the "female Spongebob". Absolutely unsinkably happy and optimistic.

She was the best.

 

[The Great One]

[MENTION=18576]Sanjuro[/MENTION]

My childhood wasn't congruent with 8ness, either--I got bullied, I withdrew, I whined, I complained, I self-pitied, I never got into any fights, and I didn't create problems. School is an artificially forced social circumstance that makes us all slightly batshit. Don't measure yourself by that. I didn't really become warlike till I hit puberty, and even then, only in my head. It took major life trauma before I even saw the ugly side of 8.

I wonder how fast these 8ish tendencies would start to show in a person?

I've heard stories, including that one girl was bullied so bad she committed suicide. I'd almost love to go there and see what they say about me, actually, though luckily, I'm not good enough at making friends to get invited.

No that was a guy I'm pretty sure. I think you are referring to Storm. Storm died of liver failure if I remember correctly. They never bullied someone to suicide. However, they are like a damn cult, you can be sure of that. Never go there, if you are unsure of your identity.


[MENTION=17131]Chanaynay[/MENTION]

I knew I was always meant for stardom.

Go get a part on Glee or something.

 

[Lady_X]

haha yeah i'm not that. i'm more like zen about it all.

 

[The Great One]

haha yeah i'm not that. i'm more like zen about it all.

Yeah I agree, you're no 792.

 

[HongDou]

Go get a part on Glee or something.

Excuse you I'm not that talented.

I'll just wait for reality TV to come my way.