Oh so you ARE 8 fixed then? Yeah, I was going to say that you seemed like more of an 8 fixer online. But, I didn't know if you were like that in real life as well?
Most certainly 8.
I'm fairly the same IRL, actually--prolly moreso in some ways. I'm more likely to push and not carefully word my phrases--I try to be very careful online. I'm quieter, don't talk as much, but when you get to know me I'm about the same.
Yeah I relate to what you are saying a lot actually. I also get pissed off and want to beat the shit out of people as well. Plus, I also commonly have to stop myself from breaking things as well. What has always confused me is that 9 fixers often times tell me that they don't really feel anger, but I feel it constantly. Which I find to be very weird. I wonder if a person with a 9w8 fix with a strong 8 wing can be like this?
Well, see, the "constant state of warfare" is really an 8 concern. Nines are really more about the peace, and/or simply being unaware of anger. I don't think the wing matters much--you've got both wings, basically, and a 9-fix is really more about being out of touch with anger rather than being familiar with it.
Now 6s, they can be another story. Still, what you say does seem more 8 than 9.
Well this actually fits the description of a 639 tri-type better than it does a 638 tri-type.
I dunno. My dad's a 683, and he's VERY good at politics, at maintaining alliances, at keeping up friendships, etc. He really is indirect about what he thinks people are really thinking, and he can be remarkably diplomatic (he's also an ENTP, fwiw). He's also a contentious guy who's pissed off every 5 seconds. Dude's an interesting mix. So, I think as a core 6 you could be good at this and still have an 8-fix.
Using Fe comes natural and is often times just automatic for xxFJ's. However for ExTP's using Fe is just basically a tool in their arsenal.
That's exactly right. I can use my Fe when I need it, and the rest of the time, I'm vaguely oblivious to other human beings as being "the masses" I can't really interact with given my partial social skills. The Fe is something I've been refining to use to my advantage, rather than any strength of mine.
No, this information is not meant to discourage 8 fixers from thinking that they are 8 fixers. One of the ring leaders in trying to prove that the 8 fix is rarer than the White Siberian tiger is the user, "Boss" on personality cafe. Now don't get me wrong, she is one of the most knowledgeable people on enneagram theory that I know, but it's like she always thinks that people are full of shit when they say that they have an 8 fix. I don't think that the 8 fix is as common as people think that it is, but it's not that damn rare.
I have interacted extensively with the person of which you speak; I was told the same damn thing (though not by her). Confused me for months till I just bought some enneagram books and properly educated. You're right, 8s and 8-fixers aren't particularly rare--this type is prevalent in my father's side in particular (me, my dad, and I think my grandfather was a core 8 based on accounts). My advice (to everyone) is to do your own research. Don't take for granted everything people write online.
Also my theory about 8w9's and 8w7's is correct. 8w9's have the 9 wing, so it makes them sometimes shy away from confrontation. However, 8w7 fixer's don't have this wing, so they almost never shy away from confrontation. This theory of 8w9 vs. 8w7 is widely accepted throughout the enneagram communities.
That's true, but what I mean is, every type basically has both wings. You should see yourself in the psychologies of the types on either side of you--so technically 8w7s can sometimes want to concede, and 8w9s can be quite confrontational. However, the 9-wing does tend to make it's bearer less likely to want to exert itself or upset the stability of the environment, including others. But that doesn't necessarily mean that 8w7s are ALWAYS itching for a fight. Self interest above all.
Have you officially decided between 8 or 9 btw? /hasn't checked in with you for a while
