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    @Sanjuro

    Well we talked about it on another thread, and she does identify with the 728 archetype. Her friends IRL seemed to think there was an 8-fix to her. I'll let you guys take that up with each other!
    Again, I'm seriously doubting that she has an 8 fix.

    Me too.
    So you also would consider yourself a punk ass bitch if you didn't write anything back even though you have a definite 9 fix? Why?

    Also are you are 9w8 fixer? I'm assuming so.

    It sounds very possible. I can identify with what you're saying in much of this, actually. Other people are unknown quantities, and I a) don't want to get hurt, and b) know that I could actually wind up hurting someone else. I can tell you that the first thing about type 8 is self-interest. I've been in 1 fist fight precisely in my 30 years, and I simply didn't lash out like a maniac--I calculatingly threw my punches for maximum effect with minimum blood. With gut types, there's body-based reasoning, not irrational uncontrollable impulses.

    Of course, 6s can be plenty feisty, too. There's always that.
    So you also have fits of rage and also commonly feel rage? Can you please describe this in detail for me?

    Do you feel the need to "dig" to get the truth out of her? That would be 8ish rather than 9ish, which I think is more receptive to the other's state.
    It's not that necessarily. It's more the fact that I just really ATTACH strongly to some people and really don't want to offend them or lose them as a friend by getting in a fight with them. I have lost good friends of mine on more than one occasion because I got in a bad fight with them. Also, some social contacts are very important in life and can really help you to get jobs and whatnot and I wouldn't want to lose one of these key people in my life either.

    Well I wrote about it on your other thread about changing gut types--I've just become a cynical bitch who uses rage-filled aggression at the slightest hint of an offense because I'm just trying to survive and all and people can just get out my fucking way. Everyone else can just deal with it, I do not care. Even if they fire me, fuck it. And seeing exploitation everywhere, and withdrawing from everything cause I hate and fear it. Stuff like that.

    Anyway. I'll be back tomorrow.
    Not me, I really don't want to lose a really good job because of my temper. High paying jobs are hard to come by these days.

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    @OrangeAppled

    1) Yes, I could see how an Fi user whom is a 9 could adapt. I haven't seen it in real life, but I could easily imagine it.

    2) Pushing others to adapt is more of an xxFJ thing than it is an Fe in the tertiary position thing.

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    @Urarienev

    I don't do this.

    I have lower Fe than Fi.

    It's cause of your Fe, and maybe could be a side effect of E6.
    Yeah I think it's related to Fe as well. How do you as a 9 fixer avoid confrontation though and smooth things over? I'm curious.

    I tend to see this irl.

    With my ISFJ friend. If I'm mad at him, he acts mad. If I'm happy around him, he is happy. That is just pure Fe.

    Fe is usually mirroring in this way.

    Fi will understand the other persons values and style, but normally wont be AS influenced.

    Neither is better than the other though.
    This is thought as well.

    could be sx^
    Well that and Americans are so offended by everything these days that it's hard to have a group conversation without offending someone.

    ^ May be a reason for arguing you have an 8 fix.
    What? You wouldn't consider yourself weak for not writing anything back?

    I normally choose to walk away and ignore over choosing flip my shit on someone. Mostly for the same reasons. I fight to kill. When I let my anger loose, I will win. Or die trying. Literally in some cases. I'm very hot/cold too, as you have stated above.
    Are you 9w8 fixed? Also, why do you choose to walk away from confrontation? I'm curious.

    Fe again here.
    What? You don't do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post



    Yeah I think it's related to Fe as well. How do you as a 9 fixer avoid confrontation though and smooth things over? I'm curious.

    9 fix?

    I think you mean 8 fix, right? I'm 683

    I avoid confrontation by planning. My 7wing is STRONG. I avoid things all together by not getting myself into a situation if I can help it.

    Now I will initiate confrontations though....well

    they seem like confrontations to feelers...but I don't view them that way. I merely try to solve problems head on.

    IF a confrontation is brought to me, and I know nothing about it and am ill prepared. I freak the fuck out. Usually get angry and leave before I say something that I will not be able to take back. That's my first go to. If I am held against will and can't escape the confrontation...I shut down. Then leave as soon as possible.

    I have only gotten into an all out complete rage fit when it was calculated, or I have no fear of it biting me in the ass.

    Well that and Americans are so offended by everything these days that it's hard to have a group conversation without offending someone.
    yep -_-



    What? You wouldn't consider yourself weak for not writing anything back?
    I write back cause I don't like to leave someone hangin.

    If it's a instigator, I ignore them irl. Online I may fight back a little...

    But I don't think an instigator should have that much control over me. So I don't write back cause then I still have control. I still have the power in my court.


    Are you 9w8 fixed? Also, why do you choose to walk away from confrontation? I'm curious.

    I'm 6w7, 8w7, 3w2

    I choose to walk away because I know I have anger issues. I will hurt someone. I will bulldoze them down. Take no prisoners kinda thing. And if someone gets me to that point, I wont regret it, and wont apologize.

    (I'm normally the first to apologize to people after a normal small confrontation, I don't mind, my 7 will sacrifice all pride if it's someone I still am close to. I'm big on sacrificing.)


    I will say one thing in the case for a 9 fix though and that is that I often avoid confrontation for the sake of keeping friends. Often times I find that getting into a strong confrontation with friends loses friends for me, so I try to avoid this in order to keep that friend. However, when I do have a friend that is passive aggressive, won't tell me what's wrong in order to avoid confrontation, and won't argue with me then that often times pisses me off. I will say that if I have a friend that is an 9 fixer vs. one that is an 8 fixer, I will get along with the 8 fixer better though.
    What? You don't do this?
    Usually other people do not confront me. I confront them. That's the first reason I would say.

    Second reason is if they're being stupid, I may just go along with it to avoid confrontation if it's not a big deal. I choose my battles.

    I don't do it to avoid losing friendship though. I am more apt to let a confrontation happen, and then say sorry and patch things up if I have to.

    I know that if I let everything out though and let my rage run wild, the probability of me still being friends with that person is not likely. And at that point I wont care. This is coming from an NJ though, we can be quick to cut ppl out of our lives.

    What is your tritype?
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    @Urarienev

    1) I highly doubt that you are 8w7 fixed from the things that you have said in this thread. From what it sounds like, you either completely explode on someone or you avoid confrontation altogether. 8w7 fixers don't do this. 8w7 fixers pretty much always shut the other person down and almost never avoid confrontation. 8w9's are more known for there hot and cold confrontation styles.

    2)
    Are you 9w8 fixed? Also, why do you choose to walk away from confrontation? I'm curious.

    I'm 6w7, 8w7, 3w2

    I choose to walk away because I know I have anger issues. I will hurt someone. I will bulldoze them down. Take no prisoners kinda thing. And if someone gets me to that point, I wont regret it, and wont apologize.

    (I'm normally the first to apologize to people after a normal small confrontation, I don't mind, my 7 will sacrifice all pride if it's someone I still am close to. I'm big on sacrificing.)
    I'm either 9w8 or 8w9 fixed. I also don't confront people many times because I know that have anger issues as well. I also agree that I will sometimes sacrifice and not get into confrontation with someone that I am close to as well, for the sake of keeping them as a friend.

    Usually other people do not confront me. I confront them. That's the first reason I would say.

    Second reason is if they're being stupid, I may just go along with it to avoid confrontation if it's not a big deal. I choose my battles.

    I don't do it to avoid losing friendship though. I am more apt to let a confrontation happen, and then say sorry and patch things up if I have to.

    I know that if I let everything out though and let my rage run wild, the probability of me still being friends with that person is not likely. And at that point I wont care. This is coming from an NJ though, we can be quick to cut ppl out of our lives.
    Yeah but I'm a lot more strategic than this though. I know that some people can help me to get ahead in my career and whatnot. I don't want to lose those social contacts by pissing them off. Also, again, I do have some friends that I am very close to, and wouldn't want to lose no matter what, so I will hold back confrontation for that sake as well.

    What is your tritype?
    I'm a core 6w7 and I definitely have a strong 3w2 fix. My gut fix is either 8w9 or 9w8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    @Urarienev

    1) I highly doubt that you are 8w7 fixed from the things that you have said in this thread. From what it sounds like, you either completely explode on someone or you avoid confrontation altogether. 8w7 fixers don't do this. 8w7 fixers pretty much always shut the other person down and almost never avoid confrontation. 8w9's are more known for there hot and cold confrontation styles.
    Oh this is interesting. I will take a look into this more.

    I keep testing for 8w7 gut fix every time. That's why I went with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Oh this is interesting. I will take a look into this more.

    I keep testing for 8w7 gut fix every time. That's why I went with it.
    Yeah the hot and cold confrontation style is more reminiscent with 8w9. I guess that an 8w7 could be like this but it would have to be a learned trait. It seems like 8w7 fixers never want to back down for any reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Again, I'm seriously doubting that she has an 8 fix.
    Again, I'll let you guys discuss that if so inclined.

    So you also would consider yourself a punk ass bitch if you didn't write anything back even though you have a definite 9 fix? Why?
    I wouldn't consider myself a punk-ass bitch, exactly, but I agree with your overall sentiment. I think it's kinda shitty when someone bothers to type out a long reply and you just let it slide. You're not worthy of my time, it says. And I get excited from the interaction, mainly.

    Also, no, I'm not 9-fixed. Sorry if I gave you that impression. It's 8 all the way.

    Also are you are 9w8 fixer? I'm assuming so.
    8wX

    So you also have fits of rage and also commonly feel rage? Can you please describe this in detail for me?
    If it helps you, I am glad to.

    Yes, I'm an angry young woman. As soon as I leave my home, it's like an instant state of war (with the environment, not necessarily to peoples' faces, lol). I have, like, ZERO tolerance to frustration, and most of the world is incredibly frustrating. As I become less healthy, my environment becomes like a stage-prop, something simply to be gotten through as quickly as possible so I can get from point A to point B with minimal fuss. People who get in the way will generally be pushed--I'm physically aggressive more than I'm rude, combative, or mean.

    I'm volatile and quick to snap at people close to me--I'm known for being mercurial and tempermental, or, as my step-father believed, "criminally insane" (I'm not, I just openly express anything from annoyance to rage, then I get over it). I get physically angry too and sometimes destroy things. I've seldom been in fights outside the house largely because the world pisses me off significantly less than my own family, but again, I can be quite susceptible to frustration and things "in my way".

    It's not that necessarily. It's more the fact that I just really ATTACH strongly to some people and really don't want to offend them or lose them as a friend by getting in a fight with them. I have lost good friends of mine on more than one occasion because I got in a bad fight with them. Also, some social contacts are very important in life and can really help you to get jobs and whatnot and I wouldn't want to lose one of these key people in my life either.
    Well this sounds more like a 6 dynamic all the way. You've gotta be diplomatic to maintain your alliances, after all.

    Not me, I really don't want to lose a really good job because of my temper. High paying jobs are hard to come by these days.
    My job ain't high paying, though I'm still not fool enough to snap at my boss. But srsly, if they fired me, it'd almost be a RELIEF.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    2) Pushing others to adapt is more of an xxFJ thing than it is an Fe in the tertiary position thing.
    Possibly agree. I feel like I adapt to others more than I push them to adapt. I'm actually always slightly flattered when people change their sentiments to agree with me. I certainly don't expect that. I actually share Orange's ideas of people who try to "convert" you to their own little civilization--I'm anti-that and have fought many long hard battles over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    1) I highly doubt that you are 8w7 fixed from the things that you have said in this thread. From what it sounds like, you either completely explode on someone or you avoid confrontation altogether. 8w7 fixers don't do this. 8w7 fixers pretty much always shut the other person down and almost never avoid confrontation. 8w9's are more known for there hot and cold confrontation styles.
    I'd be interested in where you got this information. It sounds like one of those myths that went around PerC to discourage folks from being 8s and/or 8-fixed. Most people really DON'T want to confront others (at least those of unknown quantities) but some types are considerably less likely to back down than others, and some types become more likely to do so when angry.

    Core 6s, regardless of their gut-fix, are hot-cold in their confrontation styles, and will puff up and back down--this is how you maintain your alliances after. You guys are natural statesmen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    so ^ prolly
    Wait...prolly what?? I'd like to give you a full response.

    8's want feedback just like 6's, just for different reasons.
    Yes, 8s want feedback as a matter of feeling boundaries. 6s want feedback so their minds don't spin on it. With 8s (and to a lesser degree, 8-fixers), there's sort of a need to meet the other person's energy as a way of making contact and knowing boundaries.

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    @Sanjuro


    Wait...prolly what?? I'd like to give you a full response.


    Yes, 8s want feedback as a matter of feeling boundaries. 6s want feedback so their minds don't spin on it. With 8s (and to a lesser degree, 8-fixers), there's sort of a need to meet the other person's energy as a way of making contact and knowing boundaries.
    Sorrys...

    I meant that it's probably cause you could have a social variant as dom or second.

    Good to know about 8's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    @Sanjuro



    Sorrys...

    I meant that it's probably cause you could have a social variant as dom or second.

    Good to know about 8's
    Oh yeah, I do type as sx/soc and am willing to discuss soc/sx. I'm neurotic as crap about both of those things, but the sx feels worse. I'm not as awesome as sx/socials are supposed to be, though

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