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    Default 458 Enneagram Tritype – The Scholar Archetype

    source - http://personalitycafe.com/enneagram...t-just-me.html



    I think our tritype is especially gifted with calling it’s fundamental beliefs into constant question. You’ve got 4’s emphasis on self-creation and thus change, the 5’s emphasis on clear perception, innovation, curiosity, and the 8 that confronts and challenges. There is always a readiness to undermine ourselves with an aim at change, but shows us what crap each construct we hold at every stage of growth really is and there is always the correct suspicion that whatever construct we hold in the present is simply a construction.]
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    Present and agreed @RaptorWizard.
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    Sorry I'm late @RaptorWizard, I went offline after I sent you that last message and just saw you started the thread.
    I was originally typed by several people on a different forum as 584, until the only other one with that somewhat similar sequence called me out saying that I was a complete mistype (looking back on it now, all that guy's posts resembled 3 and 6). Since then I've been trying to search for what I presumed to be my "actual" enneagram type, for I was actually stupid enough to believe him at the time. Now that I've found out that none of the other tritypes really fit as well as the 584 (which I completely fit the mold for in all descriptions), I have decided to return back to this tritype.

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    This is awesome, I very rarely ever encounter other 458 (845, 584)'s online or IRL. I have one friend (female 8w7) who shares the tritype, and it was such an "aha moment" when we realized because we have always felt deep kindred spirit, but hadn't pegged the reason.

    I'd love to hear what both of your experiences as a 584 are like, and would be glad to share my own as a 458.
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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    This is awesome, I very rarely ever encounter other 458 (845, 584)'s online or IRL. I have one friend (female 8w7) who shares the tritype, and it was such an "aha moment" when we realized because we have always felt deep kindred spirit, but hadn't pegged the reason.

    I'd love to hear what both of your experiences as a 584 are like, and would be glad to share my own as a 458.
    Are you guys sort of ambiverted as well? The description talks about how we are "somewhat" introverted. I find that if I'm at home or by myself, I tend to want to stay that way, yet if I'm out with people, I'll tend to stay that way (until I get back home), like the Newtonian Law of Physics. The only strange part of that is that I put on a social facade to conceal my inner intensity and antisocial-esque thoughts, though it could just be that I adapted to survive by becoming more social though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Are you guys sort of ambiverted as well? The description talks about how we are "somewhat" introverted. I find that if I'm at home or by myself, I tend to want to stay that way, yet if I'm out with people, I'll tend to stay that way (until I get back home), like the Newtonian Law of Physics. The only strange part of that is that I put on a social facade to conceal my inner intensity and antisocial-esque thoughts, though it could just be that I adapted to survive by becoming more social though.
    I can be, but only around people I know or in groups less than 10-ish (and even then I focus on one or two individuals)-- I believe that's just Sx-first at work though. I'm very much an introvert and though I am fine going into social settings, one of two things inevitably happens. A) I don't see anyone I know, so I sit by myself. This is completely comfortable for me, but intimidates others from approaching me. That, or B) I do see people I know, warmly join their conversation and feel right at home. People who experience me one-on-one, in small groups or in my own home before experiencing me in a social setting are always surprised when I mention being socially inept.

    How do both of you see your 8 and 4 component play out IRL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    I can be, but only around people I know or in groups less than 10-ish (and even then I focus on one or two individuals)-- I believe that's just Sx-first at work though. I'm very much an introvert and though I am fine going into social settings, one of two things inevitably happens. A) I don't see anyone I know, so I sit by myself. This is completely comfortable for me, but intimidates others from approaching me. That, or B) I do see people I know, warmly join their conversation and feel right at home. People who experience me one-on-one, in small groups or in my own home before experiencing me in a social setting are always surprised when I mention being socially inept.

    How do both of you see your 8 and 4 component play out IRL?
    That's exactly what I meant, you just described my social abilities to a T, but without the masking part.

    The 8 component starts coming out when I get an argument, I have the uncanny ability to have the confidence and persuasive skills to convince somebody that I'm right and they will believe me up until the moment I am proven wrong. Also, whenever I feel that I am getting angry, I have to hold myself back with self-control because otherwise I would have probably killed someone by now. The way I usually get around it is by imaging myself beating the shit out of my adversary or just imagining me breaking stuff. It feels like anger is pulsating through my veins and that if I don't stop myself I'm going to break something to pieces. Luckily, I'm really good at self-control by bartering with myself that I will get the person back subtly and vengefully later.

    I usually try and suppress my 4 side because whenever I start getting into touch with my emotions, I start feeling weak and fragile. However, I do let the artistic creativity slide by along with the over-the-top affection that can sometimes accompany 4s. I don't really get into touch with my 4 side much because I see it as highly negative compared to the pessimist 5 and realist 8. I usually conceal my 4 side when I'm in social situations and sort of save it as if its a hidden weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post
    This is awesome, I very rarely ever encounter other 458 (845, 584)'s online or IRL. I have one friend (female 8w7) who shares the tritype, and it was such an "aha moment" when we realized because we have always felt deep kindred spirit, but hadn't pegged the reason.

    I'd love to hear what both of your experiences as a 584 are like, and would be glad to share my own as a 458.
    man you think you got it tough, try meeting other 873's. They don't exist online.

    I actually speak to an INFJ 458 Sx/Sp rather frequently. She's a feisty one. Lemme know if you want to find her. She's on the16types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    man you think you got it tough, try meeting other 873's. They don't exist online.

    I actually speak to an INFJ 458 Sx/Sp rather frequently. She's a feisty one. Lemme know if you want to find her. She's on the16types.
    Does that make you the first 873 ambassador to the internet? Tell extrovert-land I say hi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    That's exactly what I meant, you just described my social abilities to a T, but without the masking part.

    The 8 component starts coming out when I get an argument, I have the uncanny ability to have the confidence and persuasive skills to convince somebody that I'm right and they will believe me up until the moment I am proven wrong. Also, whenever I feel that I am getting angry, I have to hold myself back with self-control because otherwise I would have probably killed someone by now. The way I usually get around it is by imaging myself beating the shit out of my adversary or just imagining me breaking stuff. It feels like anger is pulsating through my veins and that if I don't stop myself I'm going to break something to pieces. Luckily, I'm really good at self-control by bartering with myself that I will get the person back subtly and vengefully later.

    I usually try and suppress my 4 side because whenever I start getting into touch with my emotions, I start feeling weak and fragile. However, I do let the artistic creativity slide by along with the over-the-top affection that can sometimes accompany 4s. I don't really get into touch with my 4 side much because I see it as highly negative compared to the pessimist 5 and realist 8. I usually conceal my 4 side when I'm in social situations and sort of save it as if its a hidden weakness.
    Masking?

    Huh, you don't know enough about 4 then. It does suck being one sometimes, but since I've been consistently health-seeking I've really seen the beautiful side of 4. I'd strongly encourage you to read up on it a bit as 4's are some of the most self-renewing, self-aware, honest types. I can relate to your 8 description a bit, especially the highly developed self-control (out of necessity). I've had to grow myself there because I realized how much damage I can do in anger, mostly verbally and emotionally. I also see my 8 fix emerge in the way I can control the environment if I need to, or get people to stop doing whatever idiocy they are doing-- usually this only happens when I'm frustrated or angry, but sometimes it's only taken a very intentional look and maybe a word or two. Self controlled anger really does get things done. Also, I'm more independent than other 4's I know.

    My 5 side is pretty strong as it's also my wing. I tend to way over-analyze things, feelings specifically which can get messy. The T/F balance in general is annoying because I do both so much. Aside from feelings, I analyze topics, things and information to obsession sometimes (haha, Enneagram might be one of them). There are far too many really. I don't recluse like a core 5 does though. I like alone time, but I like one-on-one time more.

    @DJ Arendee It's okay bro, you can hang with the 458's if you'd like. I'd love to talk to your friend, that would be so crazy! Thank you for mentioning it!
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