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    548 here

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    I actually don't know if I'd be 548 or 584, and not completely sure how to tell.

    Even though I don't really think Tri-type can offer me much.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    source - Tri-type stacking 458/584/845, Do You Guys Exist or is it just me?!

    *Darkest tritype-458, 854, 584 (particularly when 4 or 5 are in charge)

    Also if you are still considering 548 (or 845): she said this is the the most intense type, particularly if sexual.
    Didn't realize it was a contest except upon winning.
    Goth-est Tritype ftw!

    Pleased to share the ranks with a raptor-wizard. How apropos.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Are you guys sort of ambiverted as well? The description talks about how we are "somewhat" introverted. I find that if I'm at home or by myself, I tend to want to stay that way, yet if I'm out with people, I'll tend to stay that way (until I get back home), like the Newtonian Law of Physics.
    Nicely put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    source - Tri-type stacking 458/584/845, Do You Guys Exist or is it just me?!
    (EIDB 548 tritype discussion thread: The Enneagram Institute Discussion Board - 5 4 8 Tritype ):

    [Intense, especially with sx first. Independent, dark, cynical. Most eccentric, creative 5 that tends to swing between detachment and emotionality. Most 4ish 5, especially with four wing. Tough-minded, analytical 4 that is staunchly individualistic. Withdrawn, sensitive, creative 8. "Scholar" archetype if I remember correctly. Wants to know what makes people tick.
    Prior to reading this, I felt a bit like a glitched-out 5. Prone to surrealism over realism, prone to art over math. Take all the economically viability of 5, wring them out, then throw in volatility, uncompromising individuality and add in a nice dash of 8 aggressiveness. Should have been a rogue samurai. Not cut out for the modern western world. Wish I had more focus for computer science, but only get moderately invested in simple game programming and visual tricks. Missing out on calculus lessons while drawing all over homework. Date a smoldery aloof nerd, cannot long conceal discomfittingly volatile passions and attachments. Should be reading Stephen Baxter & Sagan to be a proper intellectual, but reads Janet Fitch and Augusten Burroughs instead.
    Btw, Sagan is godly, and very accessible, but the myopia of interpersonal dynamics is still somehow more compelling to me, in spite of good intentions. Fiction probably isn't as useful, as a rule, as nonfiction, yet I have a hard time curbing my preference for the former.

    It's a dispiriting kind of INTP to be (in my case, though I see Alea Iacta Es is a fellow ILI), but it's somehow comforting, if only for the sake of taxonomy, that the Enneagram tritypes gave it a name.
    But to be a bit optimistic about things, this hybrid mindset could inject an uncommon perspective in STEM fields. A.I.E. - are you in a career of any sort? Does any of this resonate with you?

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
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    While a 5-4-8 is likely to be an intellectual narcissist, I think any criticism that they are unable to change or adjust their view is the opposite of the case because there is an intense self-criticism as well. Change and flux are constant.
    ...
    The greatest fluctuation I feel is between feeling incredibly hard and strong to being very self-conscious and inept. Strong and Vulnerable are my two modes, brought out when I feel I am unable to make that leap across the fragments of words and space between myself and someone I have an interest in.
    In the past few months, the same person said,
    "You know, most people have interesting lives. They're just not half so confident about it as you."
    I said, "Yeah right." He was obviously talking about himself, because it wasn't applicable to anyone else. We were surrounded by super boring people. Recognizing this, it seemed best to be inflammatory, because it's hilarious.
    Over the following months, I apologized for an array of flaws and miscommunications. He later said, "I don't think others see you at all the way you see yourself. And that's probably a good thing."

    People tend to get distributed into one of two categories: insecure or confident. But there is reasonable sort of confidence which is bold enough to recognize one's own shortcomings and admit to them. To recognize, also, the likelihood that most of what you say and do will be interpreted independent of the way you attempt to frame it, but rather according to the solipsism and present contexts of those around you. Misinformation spreads according to gossip, etc. It's only reasonable to have doubts, and to question oneself and one's own environment. There's all kinds of perpetual subterranean influences, creeping around, wreaking havoc. The world is chaos, beyond our control or ability to comprehend it. So any person may be confident in their best skills relative to those around them, but only a moron is confident in every sense of the word, especially where the capricious commodities of fellow man are concerned. Some so-called insecurity is entirely reasonable, and in keeping with the goal of accountability.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    source - Tri-type stacking 458/584/845, Do You Guys Exist or is it just me?!
    But they are likely to outwardly repudiate that criticism, and then later modify their views accordingly rather than stubbornly retain their original position.
    lol. Shh, no one must know.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    source - Tri-type stacking 458/584/845, Do You Guys Exist or is it just me?!
    My experience of this type is of course my only experience of any kind, so hard to be 'objective'. But here goes. I find it a complex, contradictory and often perplexing type to be. The 3 numbers pull against each other, and there is no social element(3, 6, or 9) to smooth the way. This is exacerbated if you have SO as your last stacking.
    It's okay, Raptor Wizard, we're in this thing together......
    ....and simultaneously apart, somehow.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
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    In a way, we are natural scholars but too scholarly, polymathic and restless for universities these days, which reward the careerist specialist.
    Holy crap, man. Eerily true. How many majors have you had?
    This increasing emphasis on specialization in most career fields, and an emphasis on degree-holding, is quite frustrating. There's little leeway to learn on the job and pick up trade skills as you go, due to the increasing number of people attending college. People look down their nose at career jumpers. You basically get pigeon-holed as an entrepreneur or career academic, if you're committed to intellectual flexibility. That's not to say that increased education & college attendance is a bad thing - not by a long shot - but this side-effect is a bit of a bummer.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    source - Tri-type stacking 458/584/845, Do You Guys Exist or is it just me?!
    5-4-8's have a predisposition to religion and philosophy, especially pessimistic and melancholic strains, but a commensurate disappointment with the lack of answers that satisfy us and a concomitant melancholy.
    Three cheers for Epictetus!

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    source - Tri-type stacking 458/584/845, Do You Guys Exist or is it just me?!
    I believe Nietzsche and Gurdjieff were of this tritype, though G may have had 7 instead of 5, but Katherine Fauvre very much agreed with me when I said there was something “Hermetic” about this tri-type.
    ...
    I like to think of myself as an “ontological terrorist”. Nietzsche is a beautiful illustration of what I see as the gift of this tritype – of staring past the fragility in the conceptions humans, as living and rational beings, hope to cling to and look into something “under”, to poke around in [blocked due to guideline #4 violation], and reveal the beauty within it.
    I'm not very familar with Gurdjieff, but I think Nitezsche is an excellent call & that would account for quite a few of his apparent self-contradictions, i.e. the incessant clash between his tendency to analyze & dissect the world and his resistance to doing exactly that; his drive to label things while all the while ridiculing labels; his love for language and his resentment toward its limitations. And he's quite a brusque, abrasive fellow, strangely aggressive given an overarching air of detachment - seems like some 8 on 5 action.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
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    Hades operates under a kind of 854 archetypal pattern. There’s the destructive power and energy to produce an impact of 8, along with the “ground-up” construction and innovation of 5 with the creativity and will to rebirth of 4. Of course, that’s only there in the best examples of this tritype, a call the rest of us can only hope to live up to.
    This is so cool! Grecian deity archetypes aren't dredged up in these discussions nearly enough, imo. And when they're applied to personality psychology, they're often only superficially addressed. Victoria Schmidt's book 45 Master Characters took the most comprehensive approach to this subject that I've seen, but I found the gender-bias toward masculine deities as male characters, etc., distractingly shortsighted. Hades does seem quite 854. As I was reading Schmidt's book, he seemed like a pretty solid IntJ. I recently discovered that INTJf is chock-full of 8/5s. Throw in a high neuroticism score, and maybe you get an 854...

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
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    I disagree with your point that 548s are not particularly concerned with objectivity, consistency, or interested in being accessible in any way. While these three values are pretty hard to attain, and difficult to define, they are pretty important to me, at least some of the time - and especially in any discrete intellectual task I want to complete.
    Agreed. Data points are key.
    Personally, however, not particularly concerned with accessibility. As an aside - neither was Nietzsche. I frequently create art that no one 'gets', comics with obscure punchlines, very annoying 'meta' stuff that only stimulates a wtf response in others while being only personally relevant, and it has been remarked that this should be curbed for commercial success, but thusfar, it's of little concern what others 'get' or don't. It's very impractical, if you consider the purpose of art to be visual communication. It's fine if you consider the objective of art to be unbridled self-expression. Either way, I'm not just trying to be a slick hipster affecting militant apathy; the apathy is real, and probably rather offensive to anyone sweet/cool enough to have some reasonable interest in understanding it. Pretty selfish, pretty annoying, yet ingrained. To do otherwise would be insincere, some passion might be lost in the process...hypothetically. *punches self in face*

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    source - Tri-type stacking 458/584/845, Do You Guys Exist or is it just me?!
    5-4-8: more reactive and temperamental, such Fives find it harder to control their emotions than other tritypes. They are basically sensitive, reclusive and ingenious, occasionally indulging in (romantic) day-dreams and fantasies, but once in a while their fierce, visceral side reveals itself explosively and gets to surprise people who don’t know them well. These Fives are usually selfish and whimsical, considering themselves entitled to special treatment which they will sometimes claim aggressively. They are prone to mood swings and rage outbursts.
    Special treatment, no, that's utter nonsense. I, at least, am pro-meritocracy, but don't automatically merit any sort of reward until demonstrating sufficient competence.
    Mood swings, sure. Not sold on the rage outbursts, though. "Prone" is a strong word when it takes a hell of a lot to stimulate such a response. Any other 548s else enjoy a good scrap, now and then?

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    ^Yup. I mean, I try not to be, arrogance and entitlement is the worst and just skews your analysis of stuff.

    Still, it's amazing how precise some of this stuff is down to what likely subjects of my writing/art are going to be. There should really be more stuff on Tri-Types - It kinda looks complicated but really isn't, there's just three options for each slot after all.

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    The worst person I've ever seen was this tri-type. She must have been a 4w5,5w4,8

    She was really odious.
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    5-4-8: more reactive and temperamental, such Fives find it harder to control their emotions than other tritypes. They are basically sensitive, reclusive and ingenious, occasionally indulging in (romantic) day-dreams and fantasies, but once in a while their fierce, visceral side reveals itself explosively and gets to surprise people who don’t know them well. These Fives are usually selfish and whimsical, considering themselves entitled to special treatment which they will sometimes claim aggressively. They are prone to mood swings and rage outbursts.
    typical subtypes: sexual, self-preserving, 5w4
    similar tritypes: 5-8-4, 4-5-8
    flavours: innovative, temperamental, egocentric and intense

    5-8-4: original, rebellious, temperamental and highly individualistic and independent, these Fives are can be extremely self-focused and mostly unconcerned with other people’s feelings and wants. They are often inspired and have great vision which they strive to turn into reality – they have a practical side which helps them. Although brilliant and resourceful, others may find it hard to deal with their self-important, narcissistic behavior and their oversensitivity to frustration – their violent reactions can be scary.
    typical subtypes: sexual, 5w4, 5w6 (counterphobic wing)
    similar tritypes: 5-4-8, 8-5-4
    flavours: resourceful, defiant, visionary and reactive

    A good possibility for me, really. The "outbursts of uncontrollable emotion" aren't something I've had to experience much. It usually will only occur as a last resort with people, and it's usually effective from my perspective. I always though of that as an Fe outburst.
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