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    Any other 461s out there currently? I feel this tritype has a lot of inner turmoil; a push and pull dynamic so to speak. That whole wanting to stand up for what is just but also feeling shame over expressing our anger is quite a balancing act. I sometimes even feel bad for being outspoken but not necessarily angry. Philosopher tritypes with the 4 first have more shame I think, and still look pretty 6-ish because of the whole asserting our values thing/being a rebel on top of having 6 as our head type. I want to know: How do other 461s deal with the constant self-criticism? Do you have a negative internal voice? How do you manage that and learn to give yourself credit and grace? How do you learn to do the same with those that you love? Have your closest loved ones told you that they feel like they can't do anything right or that they aren't good enough in your eyes? How do you think 461s are as parents? Any tips for lowering your expectations to a more realistic level?

    I hope to hear from some other 461s or at least people who know them well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    Any other 461s out there currently? I feel this tritype has a lot of inner turmoil; a push and pull dynamic so to speak. That whole wanting to stand up for what is just but also feeling shame over expressing our anger is quite a balancing act. I sometimes even feel bad for being outspoken but not necessarily angry. Philosopher tritypes with the 4 first have more shame I think, and still look pretty 6-ish because of the whole asserting our values thing/being a rebel on top of having 6 as our head type. I want to know: How do other 461s deal with the constant self-criticism? Do you have a negative internal voice? How do you manage that and learn to give yourself credit and grace? How do you learn to do the same with those that you love? Have your closest loved ones told you that they feel like they can't do anything right or that they aren't good enough in your eyes? How do you think 461s are as parents? Any tips for lowering your expectations to a more realistic level?

    I hope to hear from some other 461s or at least people who know them well.
    Can I ask you were you got those detailed test scores you have on your footer?
    I am thinking I may be a 461... Lately I test mostly like 6 but my 6-iness is on fire lately. However, I think the core of my personality relies in the fear of number 4 but, hey, I don't know how much difference there would actually be.
    I would love to know more. Have you been able to gather more info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butze View Post
    Can I ask you were you got those detailed test scores you have on your footer?
    I am thinking I may be a 461... Lately I test mostly like 6 but my 6-iness is on fire lately. However, I think the core of my personality relies in the fear of number 4 but, hey, I don't know how much difference there would actually be.
    I would love to know more. Have you been able to gather more info?
    My tritype analysis was done by @Rouskyrie, who created the "Updated Tritype Test," which you can take here: Updated Enneagram Tritype Test.

    However, to get the percentage breakdown, you'll need to copy the questions and let him know your answers, as opposed to clicking the test link which will only give you your tritype (and not in specific order).

    (Sorry I keep volunteering you @Rouskyrie, feel free to tell me to stop, haha!)

    461s are said to have "a bit of a bite" to them, and they are also said to appear very 6-ish. 641s are a "perennial hothead." If you are experiencing a lot of stress or depression right now, you may not test accurately. When I first came here, I tested as 649 sp. I was not in a good place at all and was functioning at pretty poor levels, overindulging in Se and stuck in neurotic Ni-Ti loops, giving me a very anxious overall look and feel. I have since come a long way and been able to settle on 461 sx/so (it's interesting how we jump to our weakest variants and such when we are in crisis).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    My tritype analysis was done by @Rouskyrie, who created the "Updated Tritype Test," which you can take here: Updated Enneagram Tritype Test.

    However, to get the percentage breakdown, you'll need to copy the questions and let him know your answers, as opposed to clicking the test link which will only give you your tritype (and not in specific order).

    (Sorry I keep volunteering you @Rouskyrie, feel free to tell me to stop, haha!)

    461s are said to have "a bit of a bite" to them, and they are also said to appear very 6-ish. 641s are a "perennial hothead." If you are experiencing a lot of stress or depression right now, you may not test accurately. When I first came here, I tested as 649 sp. I was not in a good place at all and was functioning at pretty poor levels, overindulging in Se and stuck in neurotic Ni-Ti loops, giving me a very anxious overall look and feel. I have since come a long way and been able to settle on 461 sx/so (it's interesting how we jump to our weakest variants and such when we are in crisis).

    If you need anymore help or someone to talk to, I am here for you!!! Welcome to the forum
    Thanks for the welcome!
    I've been testing 6 often lately but I can say I am experiencing a level of "fear of the unknown" which is unusual for me to such an extent. It's a sort of Se grip, yeah. But I am really pondering that my main fear is more related to 4... but I will take the test and see If I am not fooling myself. (Not that I would want to be 461, I've read people feel for us being the most messed up LOL!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butze View Post
    Thanks for the welcome!
    I've been testing 6 often lately but I can say I am experiencing a level of "fear of the unknown" which is unusual for me to such an extent. It's a sort of Se grip, yeah. But I am really pondering that my main fear is more related to 4... but I will take the test and see If I am not fooling myself. (Not that I would want to be 461, I've read people feel for us being the most messed up LOL!)
    Oh there are plenty of "messed up" tritypes, but all types have their strengths and weaknesses, just different flavors. I personally DO find it a hard tritype to be because of internal conflict. 4 wants individuality, 6 wants to relate to others, 1 is perfectionistic and very critical of self and others. I suspect most 461s have a very negative internal voice and often make their loved ones feel like they aren't good enough, even though that is not our intent.

    But on the flipside, 461s are very insightful and strive to understand others. We are very warm (once cracked into, lol), and extremely loyal. We aren't afraid to stand up for ourselves and especially others. Honestly, we're an awesome fucking companion to have, we just feel a lot. Self-care is really important for us, as is learning to be gentle with ourselves and accepting the differences or perceived shortcomings of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Deadpan View Post
    Oh there are plenty of "messed up" tritypes, but all types have their strengths and weaknesses, just different flavors. I personally DO find it a hard tritype to be because of internal conflict. 4 wants individuality, 6 wants to relate to others, 1 is perfectionistic and very critical of self and others. I suspect most 461s have a very negative internal voice and often make their loved ones feel like they aren't good enough, even though that is not our intent.

    But on the flipside, 461s are very insightful and strive to understand others. We are very warm (once cracked into, lol), and extremely loyal. We aren't afraid to stand up for ourselves and especially others. Honestly, we're an awesome fucking companion to have, we just feel a lot. Self-care is really important for us, as is learning to be gentle with ourselves and accepting the differences or perceived shortcomings of others.

    So true. I feel like I make people around be feel like they are not enough A LOT but then again, I don't feel enough either. I have been trying to control (i.e. stop as soon as possible) my negative internal dialogue all my life (I am slowly getting the hang of it, though) and yeah... I also feel I am awesome to have as a companion, let's face it But everything is just so hard sometimes.
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    @RareBird good questions, I am 641, but I would provide you with some answers which I hope would be.. Beneficial, perhaps..

    How do other 461s deal with the constant self-criticism?
    *I actually lashed myself enough in the past, I pushed myself beyond my limits that I'm learning to try to be more gentle to myself, focusing on how I can improve, how can I stand up for myself without making mistakes..

    Do you have a negative internal voice? How do you manage that and learn to give yourself credit and grace?
    *Yes I have this voice, I try to focus and figure out to improve what needs to be improved..
    I used to never give myself any credit, I still don't think I'm doing enough or that I'm perfect, I believe maybe in other circumstances I would be much better, and given all that I have faced in my life so far, I'm doing my best even if it is not good enough from my perspective..

    How do you learn to do the same with those that you love?
    *I usually give others more credit than myself..

    Have your closest loved ones told you that they feel like they can't do anything right or that they aren't good enough in your eyes?
    *No one cares about my opinion lol

    How do you think 461s are as parents? Any tips for lowering your expectations to a more realistic level?
    *I think I am a good parent, not perfect though, but I'm doing what I can..
    My expectations regarding what? I mean when it comes to children, expectations doesn't matter, encouragement, embracing, and unconditional love is what matters..
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    Hi guys. Anyone have good resources on this tritype? I watched the Fauvre video, and I read up on the types individually, but I'd be curious to see how they work as a tritype.

    I'm 4-6-1 with the phobic part of 6 manifesting at work, and counter phobic in personal life. Mostly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorito View Post
    Hi guys. Anyone have good resources on this tritype? I watched the Fauvre video, and I read up on the types individually, but I'd be curious to see how they work as a tritype.

    I'm 4-6-1 with the phobic part of 6 manifesting at work, and counter phobic in personal life. Mostly.
    I don't have extra resources but I'd love to see the video. Is it on youtube? Feel free to post whatever you find here, and welcome to the forum!
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