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    Default 4s vs 8s

    This sounds like a stupid question

    what's the difference between E4 and E8?

    Both:
    -are big on self expression
    -both can numb themselves to pain
    -both seek intensity
    -both want to stand out
    -both grow by learning moderation
    -both are reactive

    as far as I can tell the only real difference is that 4's are masochistic and 8's are sadistic. One likes to cause pain, the other likes to be in pain.

    There seems to be a large influx on my website of INFJ's who claim they are 8's. And its starting to blow my mind. So I'm trying to understand what actually separates an INFJ 8 from an INFJ 4.

    I was also going to say that 4's are idealistic... but so am I... I get extremely angry when I see people acting in such a way that would invalidate my belief that heaven still exists on earth.

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    My favorite part is this sounds like a stupid question haha

    You're funny in a not trying to be funny weird sort of way aren't you.
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    trololo?

    with regard to INFJ 8's, I'm trying to understand what actually separates an INFJ 4 from an INFJ 8.

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    Shame vs anger
    Escape to fantasy vs powerbase building in coping with reality
    Master of the emotional realm vs master of the physical realm
    Evasive vs aggressive
    Operates from the heart vs operates from the gut
    ->mulling over stuff vs quick draw
    Perfection driven vs powerdriven
    Fear of being broken inherently vs fear of being vulnerable and at someone elses mercy
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    trololo?

    with regard to INFJ 8's, I'm trying to understand what actually separates an INFJ 4 from an INFJ 8.
    Are you seriously asking me if I'm trolling?

    Why does it feel like no one takes what I say at face value. Like for real I'm not all passive aggressive n shit. When I insult someone I'm usually pretty clear.

    I was actually saying that I thought that was funny.

    And that it's funny how some people are really funny without trying to be.

    I'm sorry if my phrasing seemed offensive but that's not how I meant it.

    Type 4's and 8's feel completely opposite to me.
    Type 4's often really detest aggressiveness.
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    Type 8's detest evasiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Type 8's detest evasiveness.
    Hmm. I recently spoke with an INFJ 4. She absolutely hates "inauthenticity" which... is pretty much the same damn thing as evasiveness. She'd curse at me whenever I hid something or evaded telling her how I actually felt. It was kind of refreshing.

    I suppose, E4 = emotional, E8 = physical, is a good enough generalization. I don't like the idea that 4's are simply "emotional," because that seems to exclude the possibility of 4's as thinkers.

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    There s a reason 4s and8s are often intrigued by one antoher.


    I realize now that when i was talking evasive vs aggressive, i meant in the default physical realm. The opposit is often true in the emotional realm.

    Both types will call the other on their bs, in typical reactionary style and if there is mutual respect and trust, both can act as a guide, allowing the other to safely explore a realm normally beyond their reach.
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    My new question is, if 8's are gut types and don't recognize themselves, do 4's have a similar problem recognizing their own needs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    My new question is, if 8's are gut types and don't recognize themselves, do 4's have a similar problem recognizing their own needs?
    You mean worldly needs? For my part, yes - very much so. I live in a world of emotional intensity, fantasy and ideas. I forget to eat, drink, sleep, take medication, etc. The only one that can break me out of that world is my partner.

    Granted, Im also sp-last so that probably doesn't help.
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