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    Default Things you're surprised to notice about each type

    stolen from PerC
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    male 2s
    often much more aggressive than they are painted in most literature. Sexual 2w3s often look like a combination of 3w2 and 8w7. the way you can tell them apart is
    1) they're much more emotional than either a 3 or an 8. they're also much more prone to drama and (in some cases) excessive bravado (think Naruto or Theon Greyjoy)
    2) they disintegrate to 8, not 9 and certainly not 5.
    3) less apathetic and sociopathic than an 8

    2s in general
    much more power seeking than they appear on the surface. behind that 9-ish facade of false humility is a confident, socially adept string puller who is an expert at winning people over to his/her side.

    3s
    they really don't care as much about what people think about them as descriptions seem to suggest. 3s want respect for their accomplishments. as far as being liked and accepted, they really don't care as much, and most would laugh at the idea of bending over backwards to win someone else's acceptance. 3w2s care a little more about this because of their 2 wing, but mostly their charm and seduction are used as tactics for personal advancement rather than their primary objective,

    Social 7s
    For the longest time it baffled me why 7s are said to mistype at 2...then I read about the Social 7. Social 7s are what most people think of when they think of 7. they're bright, bubbly, cheerful, entertaining and typically enjoy large social events. however, when compared to Self Preservation, Sexual 7s and the core neurosis of 7, Social 7s are really the anti 7 of the bunch. Naranjo refers to Social 7s as anti gluttony and Maitri gives them the theme of Sacrifice.

    head center types in general
    overall, it is not gut types, but head types who are the most aggressive triad. with the exception of 8w7, gut types spend most of their time repressing their anger in various ways. typically, they let the little things slide and just forget about it. on the other hand, head types will fly into a mental frenzy of "what am I going to do about this?". they might not beat you down with a club, but 6s and 5s are often far more socially vicious than their head center counterparts and more willing to take the time and energy to plot revenge.

    Social Instinct
    when I first read about the social instinct, it made me think of tribal gatherings, bars full of drunken sports fans and high school cliques, but I've come to realize that the Social instinct is generally the most intellectual of the instincts, possessing and almost Ni-ish means of knowing what's going on and how everything and everyone are interconnected (which I'm increasingly finding is a very useful ability that I lack completely). contrary to my previous opinions, So doms are also among the most socially critical types and can typically tell you all manner of things they'd like to see changed in their society or the world at large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naranjo's Character and Neurosis:Enneatype 4
    Refinement

    An inclination to refinement (and the corresponding aversion to grossness) is manifest in descriptors such as “stylish,” “delicate,” “elegant,” “tasteful,” “artistic,” “sensitive,” and sometimes “arty” and “affected,” “mannered” and “posturing.” They may be understood as efforts on the part of the person to compensate for a poor self-image (so that an ugly self-image and the refined self-ideal may be seen as reciprocally supporting each other); also, they convey the attempt on the part of the person to be something different from what he or she is, perhaps connected to class envy. The lack of originality entailed by such imitativeness in turn; perpetuates an envy of originality—just as the attempt to imitate original individuals and the wish to emulate spontaneity are doomed to fail.
    At face value this part legitimately surprised me, because it just flat out says that 4's are actually emulating the greats/artistics rather than actually being original themselves. You always hear that 4's are the original artistic type, so it's pretty surprising to see this part about them. (Someone else responded to this and clarified it for me, so thanks)

    Another thing I find to be surprising is that Gut types generally seem to have a hidden case of having overly high standards. As the lose of their holy aspect is largely caused by them finding out negative things about other people and reacting poorly to such circumstances. Arguably seen better with type 8 and 9 than 1 too. Though I can't think of a reason why 1 is a tad looser in that respect. Arguably because the world decided that what they saw as perfect wasn't so instead of themselves?

    6s are generally the most raw type of the enneagram, in contrast to the 2 who often exaggerates the affects the world have on them. As everything seems to affect them, and they don't seem to mind responding to their own reactions. Everyone else blocks out what they don't like about themselves in one way, and the type 6 doesn't do so as often as other types do (they do obviously just not as much as other types do). It is where the aspect of 6's hyper vigilance comes into play really. This is only theoretical though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PimpinMcBoltage View Post
    At face value this part legitimately surprised me, because it just flat out says that 4's are actually emulating the greats/artistics rather than actually being original themselves. You always hear that 4's are the original artistic type, so it's pretty surprising to see this part about them. (Someone else responded to this and clarified it for me, so thanks).
    I assume this means that the whole thing has been explained but if not then I think I can shed light on the matter. Enneagram fours (at least those I've encountered) have a poor self image which (when not in inflated special snowflake mode) can preclude the observation of any legitimate strengths they may have - in this case that they are original in their own right. For example if one created a number of story or fantasy worlds inside their head but then they could in turn quickly determine the source(s) of the various ideas they would perceive themselves as someone only capable of mere regurgitation of the creativity of others and not actually being someone who is original and creative themselves. Perceiving themselves as a fake or deficient in their desired area they turn their attention to other creative people who they think actually possess genuine originality and creativity and desire to emulate them in order to make up for where they lack (note that they desire to emulate only in the area of their perceived deficiency. They have no desire to emulate the entire person beyond those points.)

    Whilst in the above case the individual probably does fairly classify as a creative individual as they have may have turned an existing idea into a brand new permutation e.g. an idea used in a different setting or different circumstances to create a different effect this only comes into play during the inflation of the ego (the ignoring of one's self esteem issues for the sake of feeling special). It doesn't help that others come to the conclusion of originality for that individual when that individual themselves realises that the observer's opinion is created merely because they are not aware of the idea's source.

    The above is just one scenario but from what I understand it occurs across the board in a large number of creative outlets (perhaps all of them).

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    Not all 4s are 'obvious' on the surface. Alot of them just seem like regular people with their own private inner worlds.

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    I really like the description of social instinct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    Not all 4s are 'obvious' on the surface. Alot of them just seem like regular people with their own private inner worlds.
    This is discussable... 4s are known as nonconformists, the ones who put individuality above all alse. They are also self expressive and it's more than common, that a 4 will want to express their individuality on the outside. For example with untraditional ideas, alternative fashion, or alternative life style. Maybe there are other enneagram types, that can behave similar to 4s, but there's always that "I am so independent, alternative, uniqe" strike in 4s, that makes them pretty markable for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly View Post
    This is discussable... 4s are known as nonconformists, the ones who put individuality above all alse. They are also self expressive and it's more than common, that a 4 will want to express their individuality on the outside. For example with untraditional ideas, alternative fashion, or alternative life style. Maybe there are other enneagram types, that can behave similar to 4s, but there's always that "I am so independent, alternative, uniqe" strike in 4s, that makes them pretty markable for others.
    Sure, but that type of attitude is common among young people in general. Plenty of 3s, 5s, 6s, 7s and 9s present themselves as individualists.

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    I'd say being authentic is what I strive for more, rather than being JUST 'original'. I think instinctual variants and MBTI can play a role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    Sure, but that type of attitude is common among young people in general. Plenty of 3s, 5s, 6s, 7s and 9s present themselves as individualists.
    Exactly. There is nothing original about being a hipster, goth, emo, etc. so I don't get why that's so heavily associated with 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    Exactly. There is nothing original about being a hipster, goth, emo, etc. so I don't get why that's so heavily associated with 4.
    Insistent edginess for it's own sake (Dali, Warhol, Oscar Wilde types) strikes me as more 3-ish.

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