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    7w6 sx/so here, and I think that being famous would completely ruin me. I think it has a lot to do with the "ungrounded and anxious" nature that's often described and that I definitely relate to. Also, the tendency not to guard myself and to get fully wrapped up in wherever I'm at makes me scared that I would get taken advantage of, lose sight of myself, and wind up too far down a road I never wanted to be on. In short, I just don't think I'm strong and grounded enough in myself to stand up to it.
    You hem me in -- behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noll View Post
    no, if you read my first post well it's written very clearly that i just play with the thought of it sometimes, i've never attempted suicide, but everyone would suddenly care about me if i died, when i'm alive they don't. i think withdrawn and unloved types are very prone to reach fame, there's more motivation and drive in us generally, we want to get out of here. just look at every author ever basically, you don't have to be some extroverted charisma god. i think what you don't realize is that social 4's always dream of a glamorous lifestyle, they just don't know how to approach it, how to get it, how to take part. they have a huge tendency to romanticize and wish for fame. but that doesn't mean they'll do anything for attention, remember the core of a 4: authenticity.
    No, it's not very clearly written. If one were to read that post, they would assume that you often play with the idea of suicide in order to get attention.

    Also, I don't understand your logic? Why would you consider dying just to get fame? What's the point? I mean, you're dead so you can't enjoy the fame. Also, because you haven't really accomplished that much (that I can see), people would care about your death for a while and then you would be forgotten. Really, what's the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    I desire fame as a form of validation…
    To be studied and admired for centuries is my wish…
    This is basically how I feel as well. I want my name to go down in the history books, I want to be admired for ages, but I also want everyone to know who I am when I'm alive. I want to be a prestigious bastard and I want to be an all-around household name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polly View Post
    The same here as @Magic Qwan ... I want to be admired, appreciated and remembered long after my death. I want to bring a uniqe message, that would be characteristic just for me so people would remember who I am. I am a 4w3 so/sp . I thik 3 wing and social variant is responsible for this in my case.
    This is how I am as well. This thread is really making me feel like I'm not social last.

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Just my personal feelings... I'm social-first with a 2w3 fix... I don't have any desire for lasting fame. I'd like to have enough money to live comfortably, to travel often, and to support a family with some accoutrements; I'd like to be well-respected and successful in my career; I'd like to be liked by people in general. I'd be very pleased to be recognized for an accomplishment. But fame in general... it's not long-lasting or widespread in the big picture. And it has so many downsides... in particular that people tend to have very polarized opinions of you when you're famous, and I'd much rather people just lukewarm-like me than love or hate me. I don't feel like 99.9% of people know me well enough to merit love or hate.

    In general I'd much rather live a happy life in my little sphere, doing my small part helping to create a better big world. I like to be in the loop, but I don't really want to be the focus of the loop. Maybe just every so often for a good thing I've done.

    I also think @Standuble's point was really good, about people wanting certain facets of it and really focusing on those and not others.

    Incidentally, I notice there are now three So/Sps in this thread who have voiced desiring fame and I have two So/Sp friends IRL who I know do as well. I do not know if that is really a pattern or not but it did catch my eye.
    1. I want people to have polarized opinions of me. My mindset is, if I am either loved or hated to the extreme, then I am successful. After all, if everyone either loves or hates me, then that means everyone knows who I am, and that brings a smile to my face. If everyone just has a mediocre opinion of me then I feel like I have failed at life.

    2. I don't think that I'm so/sp though, because after all, what so/sp wants people to have such strong opinions on them of either love or hate? The so/sp people tend to want to play the political game from what I've seen, and wants to be able to use everyone as an ally. However, I see your point and this thread is really making me think that I'm not social last.

    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Fame would be a complete fluke for me. I would blow my brains out if I got famous, undoubtedly from a fog of hazy drug-induced paranoia. As skylights said, fame (should the opportunity arise) would be explicitly to establish funds to withdraw from the world.

    ISTP 9w8 sx/sp (maybe sp/sx)

    I think Ne + heart triad + So is a good place to look.
    I'm tending to notice this pattern though: I'm noticing that the social last types don't like fame. In fact it seems like their worst nightmare! It seems like the social lasts just dream of a comfortable, secluded lifestyle, where they just live happy, with plenty of money with their lover. Is this true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightyear View Post
    I would never ever want to be famous. Yuck. I would be the kind of person who would get incredibly annoyed by strangers invading my personal space and would just want to tell them to fuck off.

    I think 9s in general are not prone to being fame-hungry (a pattern that I have seen in 9 actors, they don't tend to be in the business for the glory) We are quite content staying in the background and we don't have some great need to be special or to get attention. That we appear unimpressive also makes people often underestimate us which can be very helpful in making things happen behind the scenes without people interfering.

    Obviously I am sp-first, so-first 9s might have a bit of a different view.
    This doesn't make sense to me though? Why do 9's want to live in the background? Why do you folks want to be invisible, so to say? If you don't have oodles of money and people screaming your name then how do you know that you are successful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    7w6 sx/so here, and I think that being famous would completely ruin me. I think it has a lot to do with the "ungrounded and anxious" nature that's often described and that I definitely relate to. Also, the tendency not to guard myself and to get fully wrapped up in wherever I'm at makes me scared that I would get taken advantage of, lose sight of myself, and wind up too far down a road I never wanted to be on. In short, I just don't think I'm strong and grounded enough in myself to stand up to it.
    Interesting. What is your heart fix just out of curiosity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Interesting. What is your heart fix just out of curiosity?
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    You hem me in -- behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.

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    I feel like I am famous. I just don't experience all the negative things that go along with having real fame.

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    Social instinct and 3/4w3 fixes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
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    2w3 or 2w1?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saudade View Post
    I feel like I am famous. I just don't experience all the negative things that go along with having real fame.
    I won't feel like I'm famous until I start having my name and picture on tv or on magazines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    Social instinct and 3/4w3 fixes.
    Why not 2w3 fixes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    2w3 or 2w1?
    2w1
    You hem me in -- behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I won't feel like I'm famous until I start having my name and picture on tv or on magazines.
    No thanks, Jeff. I don't even like having my picture on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    2w1
    Exactly. That's what I thought. It seems like the 2w3 types WOULD desire fame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saudade View Post
    No thanks, Jeff. I don't even like having my picture on here.
    This once again why I find it hard to type myself as social last. Btw, who the hell is Jeff?

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