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    A common thing 4's wish for is artistic success.
    Yes, but this is much more common of the 4w3 as opposed to the 4w5.

    @Look Alive_Sunshine

    Oprah is one person and what she has is loads of money and fame, not power. If she had she wouldn't have to drag that Beyonce affair into the public arena so she would return her calls. Where's her leverage? Neither would she make up racism episodes for sympathy or invest in Lindsay Lohan in her desperate search for relevance since flying solo.

    In any case, I said "most" celebrities have no real power, no need to turn this into something I didn't imply.
    Do you realize how stupid that last statement that you just said was? MONEY IS POWER my friend, and anyone with a lot of money HAS POWER! Also, Oprah doesn't just have a lot of money, she also has loads of social influence. In fact, Forbes even rated her as THE MOST powerful celebrity in the world....

    The World's Most Powerful Celebrities - Forbes

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
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    Yes, I am well aware that it is 3ish. Also, one thing that has always amazed me is that 9's tend to have an overall different opinion of success overall. For instance, I have one friend whom is some type of self pres-last 9 and he defines success as...

    "Having as many close friends as possible and getting along with as many people as possible."

    Would you agree with this definition? Does this resonate with you? lol, to me he might as well have been speaking Japanese.
    Hell no. From a 9 I consider that concerning, by default we "get along" with people, however it can come at our own expense so it would be better for a 9 to recognise that personal success/being true to oneself will come with the cost of friction and that we do not have to get along with everyone. Growth for a 9 must include getting comfortable with fucking people off because we stand for something and not seeing that as the end of the world.

    My close friendships are not a contest in quantity, I see no benefit for anyone for me to attempt to have as many as possible, I'm happy enough with good-not-close friendships that have surface elements but provide companionship in a certain area.

    For me it is literally just happiness, whatever that means to the individual. If I'm happy then I consider that a success, if that means financial or business success then it's that, if it means meeting someone new and building a great friendship, then it's that, if I'm poor and alone yet somehow happy then it's all good certain comforts like money and friendships make it easier is all. It's a situational and dynamic thing, nothing is lasting and it's different qualities for everyone. I do personally place greater emphasis on interpersonal dynamics or nature for happiness than material things though, however lack of balance will typically lead to unhappiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    Hell no. From a 9 I consider that concerning, by default we "get along" with people, however it can come at our own expense so it would be better for a 9 to recognise that personal success/being true to oneself will come with the cost of friction and that we do not have to get along with everyone. Growth for a 9 must include getting comfortable with fucking people off because we stand for something and not seeing that as the end of the world.

    My close friendships are not a contest in quantity, I see no benefit for anyone for me to attempt to have as many as possible, I'm happy enough with good-not-close friendships that have surface elements but provide companionship in a certain area.

    For me it is literally just happiness, whatever that means to the individual. If I'm happy then I consider that a success, if that means financial or business success then it's that, if it means meeting someone new and building a great friendship, then it's that, if I'm poor and alone yet somehow happy then it's all good certain comforts like money and friendships make it easier is all. It's a situational and dynamic thing, nothing is lasting and it's different qualities for everyone. I do personally place greater emphasis on interpersonal dynamics or nature for happiness than material things though, however lack of balance will typically lead to unhappiness.
    Interesting to know. I couldn't be like you though. My happiness comes from money, success, adventure, having my intimacy needs met on a constant basis, and life comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    @Noll



    Yes, but this is much more common of the 4w3 as opposed to the 4w5.

    @Look Alive_Sunshine



    Do you realize how stupid that last statement that you just said was? MONEY IS POWER my friend, and anyone with a lot of money HAS POWER! Also, Oprah doesn't just have a lot of money, she also has loads of social influence. In fact, Forbes even rated her as THE MOST powerful celebrity in the world....

    The World's Most Powerful Celebrities - Forbes
    Do you realize how stupid you are for clinging to magazine's notion of reality instead of one of your own? In what world do you live in that Oprah still comands the attention of the general public? A few years ago her words were gospel, no one cares about her accolades now.

    She is filthy rich that's for sure, but we both know that's ot what she's after. She wants fame and relevance, the later she has already lost.

    But then again what could I expect from someone with your fix and has an Saul Goodman avatar? Sheep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Look Alive_Sunshine View Post
    Do you realize how stupid you are for clinging to magazine's notion of reality instead of one of your own? In what world do you live in that Oprah still comands the attention of the general public? A few years ago her words were gospel, no one cares about her accolades now.

    She is filthy rich that's for sure, but we both know that's ot what she's after. She wants fame and relevance, the later she has already lost.

    But then again what could I expect from someone with your fix and has an Saul Goodman avatar? Sheep.
    Your a moron! Money is power you fool! Also, the woman still does command a lot of social influence. If you wanna to debate me on this, I will absolutely wipe the floor with you!

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    I've definitely wanted to be famous before, and still would like to be. I know it's not all perks. I know there's a lot of bad that can come with it. It still seems better than a normal life, though. I'm not sure if I'm much help, however, because I don't have my type figured out for sure.

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    It seems like many different e types want to be famous for many different reasons.

    I can see it's mostly 3s who desire fame, but 4w3s as well.
    8s might want to be famous because of the power that comes with the recognition.
    I can see 2w3s to have the desire as well, their need for love along with the need for appriciation create quite a good combination for a celebrity type.
    6s are insecure and the idea of fame, might bring the feeling of external affirmation that they need.
    I noticed a lot of 7w6s desire fame and status, I guess it's because of their natural charismatic and extroverted nature.

    When it comes to stackings, it's mostly so/sx and sx/so who desire the fame.

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