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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    Yeah Lana del Ray has gotten a lot of flack from music critics and fans about her calculated image. Basically she started off with a Brittany Spears-like pop star image and wasn't having success. So they shot her lips up with collagen and gave her this retro artsy image and she took off. Her critics say that it's all for show and she's not a true artist.
    That's interesting. As long as she feels into what she's doing I don't see why her changing her image is a big deal. Her "fake" music seems pretty good to me.

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    Yeah I don't really think it's a big deal either. Just thought it might apply since people were saying that her personality was so different from the persona she portrays in her songs. I like her sound too, but there's something about an artist whose music is a true self-expression that I love. There's nothing wrong with music as entertainment, and she's certainly not the only entertainer in the music industry.
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    It actually kinda does bug me to realize that her style is contrived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    Yeah I don't really think it's a big deal either. Just thought it might apply since people were saying that her personality was so different from the persona she portrays in her songs. I like her sound too, but there's something about an artist whose music is a true self-expression that I love. There's nothing wrong with music as entertainment, and she's certainly not the only entertainer in the music industry.
    Oh yeah, totally, I didn't mean it against you. I read a scathing article about her after seeing your post and I was surprised by it. So much popular music is very fabricated. Maybe part of it is that she sounds so very passionate and soul-deep when she sings, and it's unfortunate to learn it's not so heartfelt. I guess I just never assumed that it was because the first time I heard of her was in association with a movie, and I saw an article talking about how she was bitchy to fans at an airport. So her image never really came across to me as super down to earth anyway.

    Personally I like little local classical and jazz and celtic performances in person best

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    Haven't paid much attention to this Lana del Rey chick - first I heard of her was in Marm's avs - but hot damn, that video was so rich with material to psychoanalyze, with Se, Ni, Fi, and even Te (albeit least so, and only really via suppression/negation/lack of import) all perfectly and directly on display/exhibited/demonstrated. One could have a typological field day with just that video.

    / excitable nerd

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    I get the feeling that the lyrics to this song explains her fixation towards her image somewhat



    I feel like its something deeper than just "lol, I'm gonna get dolled up and make shitloads of money now". I don't see her as shallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    I get the feeling that the lyrics to this song explains her fixation towards her image somewhat



    I feel like its something deeper than just "lol, I'm gonna get dolled up and make shitloads of money now". I don't see her as shallow.
    SFPs are both shallow and deep.

    Just as NTJs are both deep and shallow.

    The SFPs put an emphasis on their shallowness, and the NTJs on their depth (with some variance, obviously, depending on whether they are introverted or extroverted), but that's just because their shallowness (Se) is within the SFPs' ego block (i.e., top two functions), and depth (Ni) within the NTJs'. But, underlying all that, in the shadow (i.e., 3rd and 4th, or bottom two, functions), is Ni for the SFPs, wherein, subconsciously, lies true depth, and wherein, also subconsciously, lies true shallowness (Se) for the NTJs.

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    Btw, who is that in your avatar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    It actually kinda does bug me to realize that her style is contrived.
    Don't know enough about her, but, considering how contrived her face looks, I wouldn't be surprised if it's all part of the aesthetic (and, as such, commentary) she (whether consciously or not) and/or her handlers' have aimed for. This weird blend of nostalgia and shallowness, meaningfulness and substancelessness, that is America.

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    I don't find Lana del Rey's music completely shallow. Doesn't she write her own music?

    I think she is image fixated when speaking. That paired with ISFP's inability to really articulate their selves when on public display... it's really hard for me to sit and listen to her speak.

    I just also really detest the baby voice some women do.

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