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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Am I the only person who thinks Bruce Willis is a total dork?

    I don't think being an 8 gives people the power that some imagine. I think in a healthy 8 it just gives them a very solid leadership quality, like they're unshakable...not that they are imposing, or superior or any of that kind of stuff.
    Ugh, thank you.

    8's are scared of being harmed or controlled. That is all that makes an 8 an 8. They thus compensate for this by fooling themselves into thinking they are unharmable and uncontrollable.
    6's are scared of being without security or guidance. That is all that makes a 6 a 6. They compensate for this by fooling themselves into thinking they have security and guidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yes.



    You can call it whatever you want.

    The proof is in the pudding, not in the pudding thinking it's so fucking awesome it should be leader.



    Congratulations.


    you can be as right as you want here, you don't actually see from the 8's side and you're unwilling to. So I'm not gonna bother trying anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    They compensate for this by fooling themselves into thinking they have security and guidance.


    Not really.

    More like the opposite.
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Ugh, thank you.

    8's are scared of being harmed or controlled. That is all that makes an 8 an 8. They thus compensate for this by fooling themselves into thinking they are unharmable and uncontrollable.
    6's are scared of being without security or guidance. That is all that makes a 6 a 6. They compensate for this by fooling themselves into thinking they have security and guidance.
    Yes that's right, thanks for this.

    Maybe you and Zara are arguing the difference between being an 8w9 and an 8w7, because 8w7 are more volatile, while 8w9 is "the sleeping bear."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post


    Not really.

    More like the opposite.
    Disintegration to 3 is like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post


    you can be as right as you want here, you don't actually see from the 8's side and you're unwilling to. So I'm not gonna bother trying anymore.
    That's cuz I'm not about seeing from sides.

    I'm about seeing systemic truths.

    I am just telling you the truth, and you don't want to accept it.

    Not unrelatedly, 8s (8IE) have essentially no systemic thinking (until they integrate to 2 [2ES]).
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    That's cuz I'm not about seeing from sides.

    I'm about seeing systemic truths.

    I am just telling you the truth, and you don't want to accept it.

    Not unrelatedly, 8s (8IE) have essentially no systemic thinking (until they integrate to 2 [2ES]).
    Yes, and the only "truth" you see is your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    Disintegration to 3 is like that.
    Phobic 6s are like that, when it comes to guidance from an accepted external source.

    Counterphobics reject the external source, and, like all 6s, doubt their own internal guidance/security.

    (this, of course, is not taking into account integration, during which 6s learn to trust their internal guidance/security)
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Yes, and the only "truth" you see is your own.
    That's how a solipsist with essentially no systemic focus would see it.

    Which, ironically, is the problem with giving 8s authority (unless, of course, they've integrated to 2).

    8s view everything as a contest of wills. And, while there is truth to this perspective, it is not the whole picture.

    With some systemic thinking (which they'll get by integrating), they'll learn that that is just part of the systemic hierarchy.

    As opposed to merely attempting to impress on the extrinsic world what comes from one's intrinsic world (i.e., gut)...

    They will recognize... well, I'm not gunna get (that) preachy... that's something they got to learn on their own...
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    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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    start that thread already!
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