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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Its like in the military. They often claimed, "to be a leader, you must first learn to follow."[
    Yes it is.

    And yes you must.

    There are lessons one does not learn unless one has.

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    The reason for this is because, the followers are observed and granted leadership past that.
    Could you expand on this?

    That sentence is pretty piss poor.

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    When 8's are in charge, their minds are at full potential.
    Yeah.

    Whether they're good or shitty leaders.

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    When 8's are subordinate, their abilities are often suppressed and unseen unless they are given reign over their own territory.
    Then they've got lessons to learn before they deserve leadership.

    There's a reason why enneagram 8 integrates to enneagram 2.

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    The only time I've had an E6 boss impressed with me is as a gymnastics instructor, where I am never bothered.
    Maybe there's a lesson to be learned there.
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    I won't deny your personality is badass.


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    The issue is that, 8's operate best when in charge. So to fully see their potential is to grant them temporary leadership and see how they perform. Otherwise you're judging them unfairly.
    And (one of) the problem(s) is, there are only so many leadership positions that need to be filled.

    And, just cuz some "hotshot" thinks he deserves one, doesn't mean he actually does.

    The rest is essentially covered below, but realize this: patience is a virtue.

    If an e8 doesn't have the patience to wait, he doesn't have the patience to lead.

    If he/she has abilities that could be well-utilized in leadership, opportunities will be granted to them to prove as much.

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    I've had bosses give me busywork to test my leadership. Being able to make copies of documents is not an indication of leadership.
    I have started at the bottom of institutions several times.

    If you're making copies for too long, there's a problem with you.

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    Responsibility, integrity and fortitude of character are.
    And one learns all those things while making copies.
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    Yeah for sure... He was an enfp also with crazy strong fi so he remained respectful of other people's values and Seemed to be very protective of them. He did like to debate to sort of test someone on their beliefs which was annoying but he said it was just because he was extremely interested in how someone draws the conclusions they do or whatever

    Idk... He was definitely a " challenger" but he didn't seem domineering or egotistical. There was nothing abrasive about his personality from my view.
    Not saying he wasn't an 8.

    But the bolded, et al, makes him sound possibly like a 6.
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Not saying he wasn't an 8.

    But the bolded, et al, makes him sound possibly like a 6.
    Idk he was self typed and I don't know any other 8's haha

    He was way over analytical... Shit maybe he was a 6!! Haha

    Like way worse than me... Or maybe just about different stuff idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    And one learns all those things while making copies.
    lmao...

    I don't think your understanding of E8's is right. Most of the leaders I've met who were bitchy about not being in charge were E6's and scared that everything was going to go wrong without being under their own supervision. An E8 is only going to assert a position of power if he knows he can do it better than anyone else. One thing that makes an 8 what it is, is the strong ability to know what they can and cannot do, something E6's are largely unaware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    Idk he was self typed and I don't know any other 8's haha

    He was way over analytical... Shit maybe he was a 6!! Haha

    Like way worse than me... Or maybe just about different stuff idk
    Does he come off as consistently grounded and "alpha", or does he alternate between seeming harmless and going ape-sh-t?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    Idk he was self typed and I don't know any other 8's haha

    He was way over analytical... Shit maybe he was a 6!! Haha

    Like way worse than me... Or maybe just about different stuff idk
    He's a 6.

    Remember, I thought I was an 8 (and so did many others).

    He probably has an 8-fix, and is counterphobic.
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    Does he come off as consistently grounded and "alpha", or does he alternate between seeming harmless and going ape-sh-t?
    What you're describing is not a difference between 6 or 8. Its a symptom of being in the reactive triad.

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    I read this whole thread while stretching my back out. Interesting stuff.

    9w8 is easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    Does he come off as consistently grounded and "alpha", or does he alternate between seeming harmless and going ape-sh-t?
    Once again, this comes down to health level.

    Honestly, man, you need to figure this out.

    I don't know how many times it needs to be said.
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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