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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    yes positive. i do that super merged self sacrificing sx thing in relationships.
    Now So/Sx is back on the table for me…or even Sx/So…

    I just don't take many risks because I feel like I have a sense of duty to stay in a position to aid those close to me…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    Now So/Sx is back on the table for me…or even Sx/So…

    I just don't take many risks because I feel like I have a sense of duty to stay in a position to aid those close to me…
    i wouldn't word it the same but if i'm merged with someone...i think about how everything i do affects them too.

    Edit: I should add for accuracy that that doesn't mean I'm always very good at it or right in my assumptions because I project too much and often assume they feel the same as I
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i wouldn't word it the same but if i'm merged with someone...i think about how everything i do affects them too.

    Edit: I should add for accuracy that that doesn't mean I'm always very good at it or right in my assumptions because I project too much and often assume they feel the same as I
    I am like that, too.

    I think our Fi can play a role in that.




    I've gotten in trouble so many times trying to be helpful, I've found it better to sit out of the way since I have a tendency to make things worse…



    Edit: I will standby and wait for exact orders on how to give assistance in a situation, but even then, I have a tendency to make things worse. If I try to intuit a solution, though, it ends up worse than if I just to do everything exactly by the book. Not that that turns out well most of the time, either...

    I do better when things are kept light and playful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    I am like that, too.

    I think our Fi can play a role in that.



    I've gotten in trouble so many times trying to be helpful, I've found it better to sit out of the way since I have a tendency to make things worse…

    Yeah... I mean I don't know what type you are but please don't assume you're not a 7 based on elfboys description of it alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    Yeah... I mean I don't know what type you are but please don't assume you're not a 7 based on elfboys description of it alone.
    Probably the closest one I've found is 5w4, but that is such a rare type for ENFP that I am probably a 7w6…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i wouldn't word it the same but if i'm merged with someone...i think about how everything i do affects them too.
    oh man, i don't identify with that AT ALL. do you have a type 2 in your tritype or something like that?

    i don't relate to elfboy's description, except the part of feeling like you were deprived or someone caused you pain in your childhood and you're trying to make up for it (this could be related to sx-dom too). i feel that and i'm not sure why cause i had a happy childhood. kind of.

    but to be honest i also have a big big feeling that elfboy is not even an ENFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    oh man, i don't identify with that AT ALL. do you have a type 2 in your tritype or something like that?

    i don't relate to elfboy's description, except the part of feeling like you were deprived or someone caused you pain in your childhood and you're trying to make up for it (this could be related to sx-dom too). i feel that and i'm not sure why cause i had a happy childhood. kind of.

    but to be honest i also have a big big feeling that elfboy is not even an ENFP.
    funny someone else suggested elfboy wasn't an enfp to me in a rep a bit ago haha

    and i do have 2 in my tritype. i'm a 729 apparently...although i don't know much about what that means.

    and i had a happy childhood too so i don't where that all comes from either.

    but yeah i read something not too long ago about how sx types can be very self sacrificing in relationships....always putting other people first and incorporating their lovers world view into their own and i related so strongly to that...i totally do that.

    it may have been an sx/sp description...can't remember.

    not that i can't be selfish in a fi way...like pretty much no one elses opinions matters or influences me in any way...but with a significant other or family member/best friend it's different and matters...but not as much as my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    funny someone else suggested elfboy wasn't an enfp to me in a rep a bit ago haha

    and i do have 2 in my tritype. i'm a 729 apparently...although i don't know much about what that means.

    and i had a happy childhood too so i don't where that all comes from either.

    but yeah i read something not too long ago about how sx types can be very self sacrificing in relationships....always putting other people first and incorporating their lovers world view into their own and i related so strongly to that...i totally do that.

    it may have been an sx/sp description...can't remember.

    not that i can't be selfish in a fi way...like pretty much no one elses opinions matters or influences me in any way...but with a significant other or family member/best friend it's different and matters...but not as much as my own.
    Cool, you have the same tritype in the same order!

    Anyway, after reading what you said about Sx, I am going to reconsider So/Sx. I think the problem is the abusive man that moved in with us about 4 years ago. I became more Sp as a defense mechanism. He hates when I display any energy, so acting So/Sx could have gotten me badly hurt. Heck, Sx/So sounds like me before I say my father die. Seeing my first step-father die didn't help, either. Then, being in a mind-control cult for a few years made Sx-related behavior forbidden.

    To keep it sweet, I've never been So last, but I may have once been Sx-Dom.

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    @Lady X
    I should clarify a few things
    1) we're talking about 7-ish arrogance. while all 7s are egocentric, not all 7s are arrogant
    2) I made 7-ish arrogance sound like it has much more bravado than is usually the case. for the most part, 7-ish arrogance has more to do with a delusional, rosy view of reality
    3) 7s are friendly and kind as long as things are pretty much going their way, but they turn into bitches when the rosy view of their perfect world shatters in front of them.
    4) 7s are typically generous when doing so will not detriment them significantly. we're not like 5w6 Sp/So

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    Are you sure you're not a So/Sp 7w6? I thought that was what set me apart from the average 7w6…
    I think she's Sx/So or So/Sx. sacrifice is more related to Social 7 than Sexual 7 (though Sexual 7 can make a lot of sacrifices for a relationship. I know pursuit of such as cost me a LOT of money and many stupid decisions)

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    Sexual 7: Suggestibility.
    Sexual Sevens tend to merge with whatever ideas, plans, or people they come into contact with. So they are easily influenced, especially by their partner or someone they are attracted to. The prospect of a relationship with someone sets off their mapping and planning, and the relationship gets projected well into the future, with infinite possibilities appearing just over the horizon. So they are suggestible in the sense of being easily swayed and impacted, as well as in the sense of being easily propelled into myriad fantasies by or about a relationship. The passion of gluttony appears here in the many attractions that Sexual Sevens tend to have and in their difficulty in forming deep, long-term contact with one person.

    Self-preservation 7: Family.
    Naranjo originally used the term 'family' for Self-preservation Seven. Ichazo's term, defenders, captures a different nuance of the same style: Self-preservation Sevens try to assure their survival through banding together and taking care of others who they feel an affinity or connection with. They become patriarchs, taking care of their extended family. Self-preservation Sevens share the amicability of their Six neighbors, appearing magnanimous, supportive, and fatherly. The passion of gluttony appears here as a hunger for tastes of anything that seems to promise survival, whether ideas, theories, nutritional support, plans to get rich quick, and so on.

    Social Seven: Sacrifice
    Social Sevens are characterized by relinquishing their personal freedom and aspirations for social ideals. They have a profound sense of obligation toward others and feel that they must sacrifice themselves to fulfill what they see as their responsibilities. Their sacrifices are in the service of a future that they imagine and make plans to realize - a future that promises to give them the sense of belonging, social acceptance, and social standing that they lack. The passion of gluttony manifests here as a hunger for this sense of social ease and for all of the things that they believe will give it to them. Ichazo (per Lilly and Hart) uses the descriptor social limitations and describes this subtype as "predetermining his social activities," which highlights a different nuance of this subtype. It points the Social Seven's tendency to map and plan his
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    oh man, i don't identify with that AT ALL. do you have a type 2 in your tritype or something like that?
    i don't relate to elfboy's description, except the part of feeling like you were deprived or someone caused you pain in your childhood and you're trying to make up for it (this could be related to sx-dom too). i feel that and i'm not sure why cause i had a happy childhood. kind of.
    then what makes you think you're a 7? (I've questioned your type enough, but I am curious as to why you identify as such)


    but to be honest i also have a big big feeling that elfboy is not even an ENFP.
    because I'm not a sensitive, butterfly chasing pacifist?
    in all seriousness though, you're welcome to share your reasoning, but I know I use Ne and Fi compulsively, so you'll have a hard time convincing me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    Now So/Sx is back on the table for me…or even Sx/So…
    I just don't take many risks because I feel like I have a sense of duty to stay in a position to aid those close to me…
    you never came off remotely So/Sp to me. So/Sx or Sx/So could both work from our interactions
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