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    Sure lady ill come back to it. I have no business trying to make sense atm. I'm super tired brained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    Sure lady ill come back to it. I have no business trying to make sense atm. I'm super tired brained.
    [pouting]

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    haha

    i really will. i was very tired and you were asking me to strain my brain!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    Southern Kross what you said about sx was very interesting. i went out of the house walking and thinking about what you said. i think you're right, but also not completely. to define an sx-dom as a person that wants to limit social interactions to focus on the 1-1 interaction is true but not complete. it's a definition by negation. as i walked i was thinking about other aspects of me being sx-dom that aren't dependent on that need to protect the dual interaction. for instance, things that are often mentioned in the context of the sx instinct: appreciation of food, drinking, or sports that make your adrenalin pump etc...these aren't connected with exclusion of other people but with wanting to feel pleasure. And now i enter murky grounds, because i don't know where being enneagram 7 and being sx-dom ends and begins. but i do everything in my life out of pleasure. i'm instinctual and i tend to be able to do only what i want. in my work, in relationships, alone. i'm free and i do want i want. and my life is ruled by my passions and the pleasure i get out of them.
    Wait, I thought appreciating good food and drink was more of a Sp thing?

    I'm not sure how it would cover that. Perhaps you could say that Sx also has difficulty in finding pleasure in general, so when they come across a source of it, they latch onto it much more than others.

    I don't know, I'll need to think about it.

    secondly, you were very good at defining sx on the exclusion of so, so i'd like to ask you if you could be offer your opinion on the definition of So and of Sp. i'm still not sure if I understand exactly what Sp is (beyond the general definitions available on the internet). i'm still not sure if my 2nd function is Sp or So. And I'm still wondering about the instinctual stackings of my gf. So I would appreciate
    Lady X, since lately you are so interested in this argument, i would also love to hear your opinions on what the instincts measure/identify and also how different combinations (Sp/Sx, Sx/So, etc) work together. please?
    I'm not sure I entirely understand Sp either but I'll give it a go.

    Social instinct
    Driven by a sense of instability in relationships with others. So-doms feel the need to constantly establish, re-affirm, and protect a connection to and a position within the group. Any air of discontent, tension, or clash of stance/attitude/position undermines a sense of security between them and the group. So-doms are perpetually seeking a sense of place in the world and to define where and how they fit in, because to them the social climate appears so shifting and uncertain. This type is perhaps the most aware of the complexities of human interaction (because the complexities terrify them!).

    Self-pres instinct
    Driven by a sense of the fragility of their own existence. Sp-doms are highly threatened by elements they believe that may destabilise their ability to flourish, and by forces that may erode their 'separateness' by slowly consuming them. Their sense of body and identity feels so indefinite and they feel a need to draw strong boundaries in which to protect them. They feel the need to actively fight to retain the cornerstones that are so precious to them: eg. comfort, health, autonomy, dignity, reliability, accuracy, reputation, knowledge, individuality. Sp-doms seek to establish an environment of personal security and selfhood, which will enable them to thrive.

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    Sp-doms feel free to tell me if I'm off base here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Self-pres instinct
    Driven by a sense of the fragility of their own existence. Sp-doms are highly threatened by elements they believe that may destabilise their ability to flourish, and by forces that may erode their 'separateness' by slowly consuming them. Their sense of body and identity feels so indefinite and they feel a need to draw strong boundaries in which to protect them. They feel the need to actively fight to retain the cornerstones that are so precious to them: eg. comfort, health, autonomy, dignity, reliability, accuracy, reputation, knowledge, individuality. Sp-doms seek to establish an environment of personal security and selfhood, which will enable them to thrive.

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    Sp-doms feel free to tell me if I'm off base here.
    No, this is perfect!

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