User Tag List

First 234

Results 31 to 32 of 32

  1. #31
    Tempbanned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    6w5 sx/so
    Posts
    8,162

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by decrescendo View Post
    Using the example of 9s again -- maybe it's that they may become overwhelmed with the intrinsic and, having nowhere else to go, detach. Whereas the other gut types have a foot in another world that they can escape to without having to shut down. But I don't know if that makes sense; I don't know what a 3 detaching from the extrinsic would look like, or a 6 detaching from the systemic, though those are very vague ideas

    (actually, as a 6, I can kind of see how anxiety/paranoia relates to being overwhelmed by and then detaching from systemic thinking...I just don't know how to explain it)

    Or maybe it's that, to best see and interact with the world you're from, you need another to push up against?
    I'm not saying I've got answers here, but just some more thoughts:

    Once again, I don't know that 9s are necessarily detached from the intrinsic. Their ability to allow the extrinsic to just wash over them, and essentially ignore it, seems to me like a phenomenal ability to focus entirely on the intrinsic, and thus shut out the extrinsic (and systemic). They might ignore their inner anger, or something, but they don't seem to wholeheartedly ignore the intrinsic.

    As for 6s, I see tons of systemic thinking in them. When 6s get worked up, it's because they genuinely think what is happening/being discussed is systemically wrong, and, at least in terms of the specific system their working with (i.e., their highly-thought-out worldview), they are indeed bringing up genuine systemic problems (now, whether they're overemphasizing the things they're complaining about, due to the lopsidedness of their system/worldview, well, that depends on the rationality, objectivity, and sanity of that particular 6, but they definitely all seem to have a strong connection to the systemic).

    As for 3s, they definitely seem to be attached to the extrinsic. (I won't go into them in any more detail, as I'm sure you get the picture I'm painting, and I don't feel I understand 3s as well as the other two.)

    As such, what I would caution you from doing, when thinking in terms of Molina's addition of the Hartman Value Profile to the Enneagram, is the same thing I censured @Elfboy for: don't simply equate the Intrinsic and the Gut, the Extrinsic and the Heart, the Systemic and the Head; but, rather, recognize the Gut center as the center focused on the Intrinsic value dimension, the Heart center as the center focused on the Extrinsic value dimension, and the Head center as the center focused on the Systemic value dimension. Then, consider that, among the three types within each center, there is one type that has its specific manifestation in (or has its specific focus on) each of the three value dimensions (the Intrinsic, the Extrinsic, and the Systemic).

  2. #32
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Enneagram
    5 sx
    Posts
    506

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I'm not saying I've got answers here, but just some more thoughts:

    Once again, I don't know that 9s are necessarily detached from the intrinsic. Their ability to allow the extrinsic to just wash over them, and essentially ignore it, seems to me like a phenomenal ability to focus entirely on the intrinsic, and thus shut out the extrinsic (and systemic). They might ignore their inner anger, or something, but they don't seem to wholeheartedly ignore the intrinsic.

    As for 6s, I see tons of systemic thinking in them. When 6s get worked up, it's because they genuinely think what is happening/being discussed is systemically wrong, and, at least in terms of the specific system their working with (i.e., their highly-thought-out worldview), they are indeed bringing up genuine systemic problems (now, whether they're overemphasizing the things they're complaining about, due to the lopsidedness of their system/worldview, well, that depends on the rationality, objectivity, and sanity of that particular 6, but they definitely all seem to have a strong connection to the systemic).

    As for 3s, they definitely seem to be attached to the extrinsic. (I won't go into them in any more detail, as I'm sure you get the picture I'm painting, and I don't feel I understand 3s as well as the other two.)

    As such, what I would caution you from doing, when thinking in terms of Molina's addition of the Hartman Value Profile to the Enneagram, is the same thing I censured @Elfboy for: don't simply equate the Intrinsic and the Gut, the Extrinsic and the Heart, the Systemic and the Head; but, rather, recognize the Gut center as the center focused on the Intrinsic value dimension, the Heart center as the center focused on the Extrinsic value dimension, and the Head center as the center focused on the Systemic value dimension. Then, consider that, among the three types within each center, there is one type that has its specific manifestation in (or has its specific focus on) each of the three value dimensions (the Intrinsic, the Extrinsic, and the Systemic).
    oh, sorry, I just meant that the detachment might occur when unhealthy. of course 3s, 6s and 9s are usually deeply attached to their respective value dimensions.

    interesting. thanks for the clarification in the last paragraph.

Similar Threads

  1. [Enne] The difference between e2 and e3
    By Virtual ghost in forum Enneatypes
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 06-21-2017, 02:39 PM
  2. [NF] Commonalities/differences between ENFP and ENFJ
    By proteanmix in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 36
    Last Post: 09-23-2015, 02:35 PM
  3. Difference between E3 and E5?
    By Corona in forum Enneagram
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 07-26-2013, 11:02 PM
  4. Replies: 16
    Last Post: 10-08-2007, 08:30 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO