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    Default Enneagram for dummies, please?

    I'm fairly good at MBTI typing, but for some reason, enneagrams just confuse me, however much I try to understand them. According to some tests I've been taken, I'm type 5 - those are logical people, right? And that's pretty much all I know. Damn, I'm feeling stupid.

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    Enneagram is about motivations and what coping mechanisms you use in order to survive in life. Type 5 can be logical and intellectual although ultimately it's neither. 5s strive to achieve a great understanding of the world, some kind of ultimate truth if you will, because the motivation of the 5 is a feeling of being removed from their holy idea called omniscience which is exactly what it sounds like. As a way for the 5 to reunite with omniscience is thus to find the grand truth that explains everything and thus omniscience is attained.

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    Ohh. I thought this thread was asking for issuance of different enneagrams for actual stupid-dufuses. Lol

    Seriously, I was a little perplexed first reading about enneagrams too. Just keep reading up and it will click. There is quite a lot to it. I wouldn't expect to get it all in one sitting.

    This site provides a fairly concise detail of them:
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    Ohh. I thought this thread was asking for issuance of different enneagrams for actual stupid-dufuses. Lol
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    That makes sense in my case, I'm obsessively looking for things that will help me understand things better. Everybody says I know a lot and seem to think I'm a walking encyclopedia, but it feels like I know absolutely nothing because I don't have The Truth.
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    Now a test defines me as a 4w5 - what kind of person does that make me?
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    Nothing. Tests are unreliable and you cannot find out your enneagram through tests. You need to read up on the theory.

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    You have 3 centers:
    shame (2 3 4), fear (5 6 7), anger (8 9 1)
    you deal with each in one of 3 ways:
    Deny (3 7 9), fixate (2 5 1), embrace (4 6 8)

    (i am hoping i am remembering those correctly)

    Find out which you use for each center. You can use the same dealing mechanism more then once.
    Find out which of the 3 is your first.

    (for Ti doms it is normal for tritype to be easier then just enneagram - more room to be broken down).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    You have 3 centers:
    shame (2 3 4), fear (5 6 7), anger (8 9 1)
    you deal with each in one of 3 ways:
    Deny (3 7 9), fixate (2 5 1), embrace (4 6 8)

    (i am hoping i am remembering those correctly)

    Find out which you use for each center. You can use the same dealing mechanism more then once.
    Find out which of the 3 is your first.

    (for Ti doms it is normal for tritype to be easier then just enneagram - more room to be broken down).
    I think this would be most correct:

    Shame: fixate (I easily become obsessed with mending my flaws; I spent my entire childhood and teens trying to fix a psychiatric diagnosis I had)
    Fear: embrace (Strangely enough, I accept my fears and stay away from them as much as possible)
    Anger: deny (I block out my anger and force myself not to act on it)

    You get this more than I do; what should that mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10blackroses View Post
    I think this would be most correct:

    Shame: fixate (I easily become obsessed with mending my flaws; I spent my entire childhood and teens trying to fix a psychiatric diagnosis I had)
    Fear: embrace (Strangely enough, I accept my fears and stay away from them as much as possible)
    Anger: deny (I block out my anger and force myself not to act on it)

    You get this more than I do; what should that mean?
    then assuming i remembered those correctly your tritype would be some combination of 2 6 9... One of them should be your default motivation mechanism (probably 6 since 2 & 9 are quite uncommon for INTPs).

    I should also mention that i am no expert: i just had the same difficulty you are having. Enneagram doesnt serve itself to be broken down easily so tritype can provide the backdoor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10blackroses View Post
    I think this would be most correct:

    Shame: fixate (I easily become obsessed with mending my flaws; I spent my entire childhood and teens trying to fix a psychiatric diagnosis I had)
    Fear: embrace (Strangely enough, I accept my fears and stay away from them as much as possible)
    Anger: deny (I block out my anger and force myself not to act on it)

    You get this more than I do; what should that mean?
    This doesn't say anything at all. I think you should file out a test in the subforum if you want someone to help you get to your core type. Anyway, I get a sense of superego vibe here. Could be 1-ish or 6-ish.

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