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    Quote Originally Posted by flatlander View Post
    A few of us are. PerC is too full of drama.
    Got it.

    It always just surprises me when someone comes in with very few posts but clearly has a strong understanding of typology.

    I'm never quite sure, but my primary reaction is just to figure they're a PerC refugee.

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    I'm a 9. Can't say I feel any aversion to the inner motivations and neuroses of either of my enneagram neighbours. If anything, I'd say that knowing that their particular frailties exist helps me see them as more human, partially because it's easier to identify with people I feel genuinely sorry for. While individuals and individual behaviours can rub me the wrong way, I admire the 8's assertiveness and drive and the 1's competence and clarity.

    I identify more with 1's motivations, which is why I picked 9w1 for myself.

    The motivations and shortcomings I have the most strained relationship with belong to my core type 9 itself because I'm uncomfortably aware of how true they are for me, and I really don't like what they say about me as a person. On the other hand, I'm not so wretchedly slothful and lost to myself that I don't try to rise above them every now and then. So that's something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Are you people PersonalityCafe refugees or something?
    I've been lurking here for a long time. I've become more active because Maybe and Flatlander whom I consider to be two good friends are probably more aptly called refugees than I am. I still post on PersC.

    Also: could you expand on what you don't like about counterphobic 6s, and why you feel an aversion towards 6s in general?
    I don't like how CP6s in particular tend to project their anxiety onto their surroundings. It kind of triggers my own neurosis as a result so I seek this one answer and I think I have it but a CP6 will go, "but what if it's not the actual answer?!" and I start self-doubting myself and my knowledge to an unhealthy point where I can potentially disintegrate which has actually happened. I was for example looking into tritype theory and trying to figure out my gut fixation and a CP6 tells me over and over, how do you know it's not 1 over 8? Look at all these behaviors, it must be proof of 1! I know that he was just trying to help but it didn't help me because it questioned my entire body of knowledge that I had of myself and I fell into an unhealthy spiral of questioning who I am, what I know and kind of like why I am here. A lot of exisential anxiety.

    Also, a lot of the people on PersC who bitch at me are CP6s, either core types or fixed. So just bad experiences. A phobic 6 tends to more often hold their doubting to themselves and avoid whatever triggers their anxiety instead of having this need to always "call things out". Health levels obviously also play a large role here.

    It gets tiring to have what I know constantly questioned. I do wish to point out that I'm good friends with a person who types as 6w5 INTJ though, but she's phobic. There is also an ISFP CP6 on PersC I respect a lot even though I don't always agree with her but we have a mutual understanding of each other's POVs. I don't hate or dislike all 6s but a lot of 6s, at least on the internet, really tend to rub me the wrong way even when I know they don't try to. I just think that they have a natural ability to often trigger my own 5 neurosis and I inherently know this so I avoid them. I hate feeling anxious and disintegration towards 7 is so incredibly unpleasant it feels like I'll go insane every time so I just rather avoid it meaning I also rather avoid being around people who trigger this in me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    I've been lurking here for a long time. I've become more active because Maybe and Flatlander whom I consider to be two good friends are probably more aptly called refugees than I am. I still post on PersC.
    Got it.

    Those are the two who I've noticed making good threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    I don't like how CP6s in particular tend to project their anxiety onto their surroundings. It kind of triggers my own neurosis as a result so I seek this one answer and I think I have it but a CP6 will go, "but what if it's not the actual answer?!" and I start self-doubting myself and my knowledge to an unhealthy point where I can potentially disintegrate which has actually happened. I was for example looking into tritype theory and trying to figure out my gut fixation and a CP6 tells me over and over, how do you know it's not 1 over 8? Look at all these behaviors, it must be proof of 1! I know that he was just trying to help but it didn't help me because it questioned my entire body of knowledge that I had of myself and I fell into an unhealthy spiral of questioning who I am, what I know and kind of like why I am here. A lot of exisential anxiety.
    Excuse me, here, cuz, obviously, I am a 6, but...

    Isn't the 6 basically just more committed to discovering the truth than you are?

    I'm not saying the stuff you describe doesn't come with it, but isn't that, in essence, what you are pointing to?

    It's just that the uncertainty that comes with questioning how much you really know bothers you.


    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Also, a lot of the people on PersC who bitch at me are CP6s, either core types or fixed. So just bad experiences. A phobic 6 tends to more often hold their doubting to themselves and avoid whatever triggers their anxiety instead of having this need to always "call things out". Health levels obviously also play a large role here.
    Yeah.

    I've been that way a lot on here, and irl.

    I'm trying to change it.

    The thing is, I do respect what brings it about. And I know why I have acted that way, and I respect why it is I previously did not want to give up that behavior. I wouldn't just bitch about anything. I'd bitch because what I was bitching about was genuinely stupid (and thus, often, imo, harmful to the general thinking population). But it seems to have run a course to the point that, although I respect why I was like that previously, it just seems time to move to something else. To go beyond it. Like that was something for my younger self. And it's time to move on to something more mature. Which, coincidentally, would seem to do much more with an integration path towards enneagram 9. I'll leave the non-truth witch hunt to some younger 20-something INTJ 6w5 sx/so.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    It gets tiring to have what I know constantly questioned. I do wish to point out that I'm good friends with a person who types as 6w5 INTJ though, but she's phobic. There is also an ISFP CP6 on PersC I respect a lot even though I don't always agree with her but we have a mutual understanding of each other's POVs. I don't hate or dislike all 6s but a lot of 6s, at least on the internet, really tend to rub me the wrong way even when I know they don't try to. I just think that they have a natural ability to often trigger my own 5 neurosis and I inherently know this so I avoid them. I hate feeling anxious and disintegration towards 7 is so incredibly unpleasant it feels like I'll go insane every time so I just rather avoid it meaning I also rather avoid being around people who trigger this in me.
    So it is because we trigger other peoples' insecurities?

    Funnily enough, that's what my mom always said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post

    Excuse me, here, cuz, obviously, I am a 6, but...

    Isn't the 6 basically just more committed to discovering the truth than you are?

    I'm not saying the stuff you describe doesn't come with it, but isn't that, in essence, what you are pointing to?
    I'll answer these two things first and I understand why you question since I question your type in a way. Anyway, I think it's wrong saying that a 5 or a 6 are more dedicated to truth than others. Rather, we are dedicated to finding different kinds of truths. A 6 has a more pragmatic approach to truth telling than a 5. The answers the 5 seeks are more metaphysical/spiritual and related to their existence. The truth seeking of a 5 is just as important as that of a 6. Just that a 5 truth is not really useful in the here and now in a pragmatic manner. It seeks to explain and understand rather than telling people the state of the world. Not always the same things. Also, sometimes especially unhealthy CP6s really push the whole truth-seeking too far and as a result become really off base because their unhealthy superego influence makes them feel like they must call things out in order to relive themselves of the anxiety regardless of whether it is actually true or not. Just like for a 5, not everything we say is actually logical even though we think it is. What matters is that it makes sense to us, not necessarily to others.

    It's just that the uncertainty that comes with questioning how much you really know bothers you.

    Hm, I can't comment on this as I haven't tried to type any of the great philosophers personally.

    Yeah.

    I've been that way a lot on here, and irl.

    I'm trying to change it.

    The thing is, I do respect what brings it about. And I know why I have acted that way, and I respect why it is I previously did not want to give up that behavior. I wouldn't just bitch about anything. I'd bitch because what I was bitching about was genuinely stupid (and thus, often, imo, harmful to the general thinking population). But it seems to have run a course to the point that, although I respect why I was like that previously, it just seems time to move to something else. To go beyond it. Like that was something for my younger self. And it's time to move on to something more mature. Which, coincidentally, would seem to do much more with an integration path towards enneagram 9. I'll leave the non-truth witch hunt to some younger 20-something INTJ 6w5 sx/so.
    Heh, you're such a clearly valuing Se type in ego position in socionics. I'd guess beta quadra for you. It's logic exactly like this when it comes from 6s that really for some really rub me the wrong way. The superego kind of self-righteous drive. I got a similar issue with 1s. I'm largely unconcerned. I'll factually lay out if I think I got sufficient evidence to prove my point. Most importantly though, if they are not theoretically correct I'll nitpick on that in relation to their type if I must but otherwise it really doesn't bother me.


    So it is because we trigger other peoples' insecurities?

    Funnily enough, that's what my mom always said.

    Perhaps? Do you feel that 5s trigger your insecurities and how would we go on about doing this exactly? By stating how we see the world with such certainty which makes you feel insecure since according to the logic of the 6, nothing is truly certain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    I'll answer these two things first and I understand why you question since I question your type in a way. Anyway, I think it's wrong saying that a 5 or a 6 are more dedicated to truth than others. Rather, we are dedicated to finding different kinds of truths. A 6 has a more pragmatic approach to truth telling than a 5. The answers the 5 seeks are more metaphysical/spiritual and related to their existence. The truth seeking of a 5 is just as important as that of a 6. Just that a 5 truth is not really useful in the here and now in a pragmatic manner. It seeks to explain and understand rather than telling people the state of the world. Not always the same things.
    This seems a little straight-from-the-descriptionish, but perhaps there's some truth to it.

    A lot of it seems to be almost Pish vs Jish, tho.

    And to say that I'm not into metaphysical/spiritual truth would be retarded.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Also, sometimes especially unhealthy CP6s really push the whole truth-seeking too far and as a result become really off base because their unhealthy superego influence makes them feel like they must call things out in order to relive themselves of the anxiety regardless of whether it is actually true or not. Just like for a 5, not everything we say is actually logical even though we think it is. What matters is that it makes sense to us, not necessarily to others.
    True.

    But some are better than others.

    The best kind of 6 will use doubt enough to eradicate anything dubitable from his position.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Heh, you're such a clearly valuing Se type in ego position in socionics. I'd guess beta quadra for you.
    I don't fuck with socionics much, but I'm an INTp/ILI.

    Blame lots of Se, or something, on aspirational Se + strong connection with e3 + athlete + high actualization

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    It's logic exactly like this when it comes from 6s that really for some really rub me the wrong way. The superego kind of self-righteous drive. I got a similar issue with 1s.
    1s annoy the shit out of me a lot of the time for the same reason.

    6s don't, really, because it's way lesser than for 1s, but, I dunno, to each his own.

    6SSs, as pure systemic thinkers, are also more objective than gut-trusting 1ISs.

    If you could expound with any more clarity on this it would be appreciated.

    As it stands, it seems like you're kvetching about perfectibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    I'm largely unconcerned.
    Largely unconcerned with what?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    I'll factually lay out if I think I got sufficient evidence to prove my point. Most importantly though, if they are not theoretically correct I'll nitpick on that in relation to their type if I must but otherwise it really doesn't bother me.
    Oh, god, we don't have a type-nitpicker, do we?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Perhaps? Do you feel that 5s trigger your insecurities and how would we go on about doing this exactly? By stating how we see the world with such certainty which makes you feel insecure since according to the logic of the 6, nothing is truly certain?
    No, I wouldn't say they trigger insecurities.

    They trigger my anger that someone could be so stupid.

    Firmly believing in something that clearly has holes in it is... well... not sexy.

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    By finding the light within our own true selves we spread our wings from the core of our own minds and fly away to great heights.

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    I find that I relate pretty heavily on the 6-wing, and almost not at all to the 4-wing, to the point where I have an aversion to core-4 motivations. No doubt I have some influence from my neighbor 4, but I have a hard time seeing it. 4 is the one type in the Enneagram that I understand the least, to the point when I'm talking about tritypes and people want to know more about 4-fix, I just have to say, I do not understand 4, I can't help you here.

    As for the 6-wing, I take on more of the doubting nature than a 4-ish envious nature, but I would say it actually manifests more as a questioning nature. I can question something what I believe (or what I don't believe) impartially, without doubting myself. I'm very sure of my own mind and what I believe. I am more of a Devil's Advocate than a Doubting Thomas.

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    9's annoy me. They're like syrup. The just kinda stick to you and don't go away but don't really do anything bad either.

    However I find my ability to mind merge with other personalities to understand who they really are, to be incredibly useful in the dating scene. I ask them a million questions, I suddenly begin feeling what they feel for a few days, I decide if I like it. If I don't, I stop talking to them. If I do, I keep talking to them.

    Past that its a huge pain in the butt to forget shit I wanted to do earlier, falling asleep when bored, and getting absorbed in other's plans and forgetting my own original inspirations. Its also nice to be able to soothe any person I want by simply flipping the "tranquility" switch and manipulating their energy level to a zero.

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    I'm probably a 5w6 but I relate alot to the 4 wing too. I've also considered the possibility of 6w5 or 9w1. 5w6 is probably right though.

    How I relate to 6 wing:
    Question and doubt many things
    Indecisive much of the time- prone to analysis paralysis
    Worry alot- imagine dire situations and how I'll cope if it ever happens
    Highly safety and security conscious
    Want to fit in to a group- not just any group though. One that actually shares my interests and values.

    How I relate to 4 wing:
    High value on originality and uniqueness
    Have trouble totally getting over past hurts and disappointments
    Often envious of people who seem better off or have qualities I greatly admire but don't think I possess much of
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