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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    This may be the 9 ego defense in the works. It's similar to the vagueness that is described of the 4 identity. What I see here is relating to a shell of the types and never fully further going down. It's a bit telling of how you relate to the types.
    It's pretty much how I relate to them. I can't really see the deeper things I guess. Granted I haven't read as much about it as mbti, mostly because the surface vagueness tells me there might not be anything deeper, and so it feels like a waste of time. I mean, deeper things are listed, but they don't really help me type myself, so it's useless for me at this point. Maybe I could decide if I read a lot more and really looked at it in depth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Maybe you can reveal how you react to stresses. If you identify with 5 and 6, then how does your mind work? Is there a "need to know?" And if you don't have enough information, how do you feel?
    I definitely have a need to know. That's the purpose behind this type exploration. But I also enjoy the process of looking for answers and producing detailed results. I have a need to know in everything, in a Ti sort of way. I have to know the core principles of how things work if I have an interest in the area or if I have to do something. I have burning curiosity about the inner workings of reality (which is why I'm studying philosophy). This is the characteristic I said I couldn't subtract from myself and still be me.

    In response to how my mind works, it's Ti+Ne+Ni+Fe pretty much in that order (plus Si in there somewhere for stored information). I create cohesive structured systems to map reality, in a concrete and meta level. It's like a computer filing system plus the internet, along with some human relational elements and symbology.
    Edit: Oh if I don't have enough information: first I suspend judgment and don't make a definite decision. Then I search for more information and ask questions. Then I examine the information I have and see what makes sense to me. If I have an intuitive idea I'll see if I can produce an explanation for it based on the information which is there.

    In response to stress: Look up inferior Fe and it's me. Plus I eat sugar and listen to music and daydream.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    There's another type... the social 9.

    Sorry if this stuff is out of the blue. I know this is likely meant for public participation, but I get the feeling sometimes that I tend to "crash the party uninvited," so to speak. I'm lacking in appropriateness somewhere, not sure.
    No, not at all. At least that I'm aware. Which might not mean anything. haha

    Thanks for the info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampant88 View Post
    I agree with this thinking.

    It looks as though you're superficially trying on all the of the types as though they're hats, perhaps looking to resonate with the attractive qualities you think being a certain type confers upon you rather than really getting in to the neurosis of each type and seeing if that's present within your psyche.
    Ok, yes. Is this type of information you are referring to listed in the type descriptions or do I have to spend hours reading? If that's the only way, I guess I'll do it. I just figured if it was a good system it would be easier and quicker to use.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Hm, you might be right. I'm pretty 5 and 6 ish as well though, so one is first in the tri-type and the other is second. Here's how I went about it: since all the numbers seem like just part of one personality to me, I decided to follow this method: find my essential quality Descartes style by subtracting everything I can until I find something I wouldn't be me without. I definitely wouldn't be myself without analytical thought and the search for truth, so I tentatively decided on 5. In the gut area I could subtract power and peace, but I couldn't subtract principles, so 1 would make sense there. In the heart area I could subtract helping and pleasing and whatever, and then it's a close call for 3 and 4 stuff.
    This isn't to say that that won't end up working for you, but I almost certainly would have mistyped myself if I had used that method. In fact, the first time I skimmed the type descriptions, I thought "I don't relate to this whole resentment thing" and ruled out type 1 altogether. It was only after I figured out their definition of resentment that I put it back on the table as an option. (After that, I used process of elimination, and ended up focusing a lot more, research-wise, on the stress/neurosis aspects of the Enneagram, because the Enneagram is so great about describing neuroses -- much more than describing thought processes (in my opinion; the MBTI is better at that).)
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Not quite this, not quite that. I used to think that type of stuff was indicative of 3 co-fix or core-fix, as it seemed to me that it suggested an adaptable self image, but I don't think that anymore. I confused vague for malleable. Anyways, people were suggesting 3 and 4, which caught my eye and made me wonder. I mean if your sig is any indication of your self image...

    Although I have to say, there's some sort of resemblance in you that I've seen in others (other forums). I think 9 is in there somewhere, perhaps even as a core. The 9s that I've seen have done this...

    - They go and ask questions regarding their type.
    - They get opinions.
    - The general result is, "thanks but no thanks."
    - After some time, they come back with similar if not the same question.
    - Rinse-Repeat
    I've seen this with Fours, too. (And with INFPs. Probably for the same reasons.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    This may be the 9 ego defense in the works. It's similar to the vagueness that is described of the 4 identity. What I see here is relating to a shell of the types and never fully further going down. It's a bit telling of how you relate to the types.
    Makes sense. I did wonder about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Maybe you can reveal how you react to stresses. If you identify with 5 and 6, then how does your mind work? Is there a "need to know?" And if you don't have enough information, how do you feel?
    Yes. Great advice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rampant88 View Post
    I agree with this thinking.

    It looks as though you're superficially trying on all the of the types as though they're hats, perhaps looking to resonate with the attractive qualities you think being a certain type confers upon you rather than really getting in to the neurosis of each type and seeing if that's present within your psyche.
    Yep. That's why I'd gotten the vibe that you almost didn't need to know your type. But I figured I must be wrong about that -- and this explanation makes much more sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    It's pretty much how I relate to them. I can't really see the deeper things I guess. Granted I haven't read as much about it as mbti, mostly because the surface vagueness tells me there might not be anything deeper, and so it feels like a waste of time. I mean, deeper things are listed, but they don't really help me type myself, so it's useless for me at this point. Maybe I could decide if I read a lot more and really looked at it in depth.
    That's a really good idea. Because it does go deeper.
    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I definitely have a need to know. That's the purpose behind this type exploration. But I also enjoy the process of looking for answers and producing detailed results. I have a need to know in everything, in a Ti sort of way. I have to know the core principles of how things work if I have an interest in the area or if I have to do something. I have burning curiosity about the inner workings of reality (which is why I'm studying philosophy). This is the characteristic I said I couldn't subtract from myself and still be me.
    I don't think that's related to any particular Enneagram type. I mean, yes, Fives are associated with that, but Enneagram types are not defined based on that. Like I said before, it goes a whole lot deeper than those more surface-level desires. I mean, unless your desire to learn more is based on some root insecurity or deeper need -- like it is for Fives, or counterphobic Sixes -- in which case I shouldn't have called it surface-level.
    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    In response to stress: Look up inferior Fe and it's me. Plus I eat sugar and listen to music and daydream.
    Oh, ok. This, too?
    and it's nice enough to
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    weep, but I don't
    weep, do
    you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Although I have to say, there's some sort of resemblance in you that I've seen in others (other forums). I think 9 is in there somewhere, perhaps even as a core. The 9s that I've seen have done this...

    - They go and ask questions regarding their type.
    - They get opinions.
    - The general result is, "thanks but no thanks."
    - After some time, they come back with similar if not the same question.
    - Rinse-Repeat
    Lol, so true.
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    E6s is my guess.

    E5s have the detached observer vibe to their points/posts though they as any human aren't immune to frustration. E6s have a attached concerned vibe. You have the latter. 5w6s also have a touch of that attached vibe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Oh, ok. This, too?
    Fo shizzle. I've read a lot about it. Inferior Se fits somewhat, but I fit every single point I've ever read on Fe and only a fraction for Se (and Si).

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Although I have to say, there's some sort of resemblance in you that I've seen in others (other forums). I think 9 is in there somewhere, perhaps even as a core. The 9s that I've seen have done this...

    - They go and ask questions regarding their type.
    - They get opinions.
    - The general result is, "thanks but no thanks."
    - After some time, they come back with similar if not the same question.
    - Rinse-Repeat

    This may be the 9 ego defense in the works. It's similar to the vagueness that is described of the 4 identity. What I see here is relating to a shell of the types and never fully further going down. It's a bit telling of how you relate to the types.
    Ok, I need to address this, since so many people seem to agree and it sounds like kind of a pointless thing to do.

    Since it sounds like you're describing a pointless exercise, I don't think that's exactly what I'm doing. I ask questions about specific aspects of a situation (emotions, how a certain type reacts to them, behaviors, etc.), and then see if I relate to the results. I file it away. If some people don't really answer my question or give me information I think is just off the result is 'thanks but no thanks,' because I have no use for it. Sometimes the information requires more thought and research, so it goes somewhere in my mind for awhile and the result is 'I'll see whether I think that's true and get back to you.' If I ask the same sort of question again, I've been thinking about the original question and realized there are some aspects of it which haven't yet been answered, subtle nuances which haven't been explained, counterexamples which threaten to invalidate it. Research is like this. I think I'm just a thorough person.


    Ok, fine, I'll research it. People certainly seem to be confident in their mbti typing and it's easy for them to provide explanation; I thought the same might be true for Enneagram- but apparently it's something I have to do myself (and I don't expect other people to, I just thought they might be interested).

    But some questions I had have been answered, particularly the nature of the system. So thanks for that.


    6w5, 4w3, 1w9 (probably)

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    Results from a new test:

    8 2
    9 2
    1 3

    7 7
    6 6
    5 5

    4 5
    3 5
    2 1

    Yay. No closer than I was before.


    6w5, 4w3, 1w9 (probably)

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Results from a new test:

    8 2
    9 2
    1 3

    7 7
    6 6
    5 5

    4 5
    3 5
    2 1

    Yay. No closer than I was before.
    New test???
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    Can you please provide a description of yourself as a person? I personally don't agree with RW's analysis for most of the part as it seems to mostly be based on stereotypes, so I'd rather have you write out how you think and go on about things in the world. As a few starting questions, can you explain what enneatypes you relate to and what types you don't relate to and why? I don't need you to make a major write up about your cognitive type. I'll figure it out quickly enough just by looking at how you go on and reason about things. Anyway, skimming through things, what you wrote here:


    Since it sounds like you're describing a pointless exercise, I don't think that's exactly what I'm doing. I ask questions about specific aspects of a situation (emotions, how a certain type reacts to them, behaviors, etc.), and then see if I relate to the results. I file it away. If some people don't really answer my question or give me information I think is just off the result is 'thanks but no thanks,' because I have no use for it. Sometimes the information requires more thought and research, so it goes somewhere in my mind for awhile and the result is 'I'll see whether I think that's true and get back to you.' If I ask the same sort of question again, I've been thinking about the original question and realized there are some aspects of it which haven't yet been answered, subtle nuances which haven't been explained, counterexamples which threaten to invalidate it. Research is like this. I think I'm just a thorough person.


    Ok, fine, I'll research it. People certainly seem to be confident in their mbti typing and it's easy for them to provide explanation; I thought the same might be true for Enneagram- but apparently it's something I have to do myself (and I don't expect other people to, I just thought they might be interested).

    But some questions I had have been answered, particularly the nature of the system. So thanks for that.
    Really sounds like Ne dominance with F auxiliary (but you're right that ENTP probably fits better if you have a preference for Ti over Te as tertiary). I see @Maybe reason and express herself in a very similar manner. You are probably right about being an irrational dominant type. You're more concerned about being open about data than making judgements or coming to conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Can you please provide a description of yourself as a person? I personally don't agree with RW's analysis for most of the part as it seems to mostly be based on stereotypes, so I'd rather have you write out how you think and go on about things in the world. As a few starting questions, can you explain what enneatypes you relate to and what types you don't relate to and why? I don't need you to make a major write up about your cognitive type. I'll figure it out quickly enough just by looking at how you go on and reason about things.
    Hm, description of myself as a person. So many possibilities, I don't know what to say. So I'll just answer how I relate to the types.

    Pasting from a website:
    (I know it's not the greatest to just go on generalized things like this, but it's a start.) The bolded are what I identify with.

    Type One is principled, purposeful, self-controlled, and perfectionistic.
    Fitting with Ne, I'd rather be receptive to life than always have an agenda. Highly perfectionist though.
    Type Two is generous, demonstrative, people-pleasing, and possessive.
    I'm sort of all these, but not highly any of them. I want to help people, but I don't want to go out of my way for it. I can't stand it when people are mad at me, but I'm equally assertive and argumentative, so I stand by what I think anyway.
    Type Three is adaptable, excelling, driven, and image-conscious.
    Very much the last, but not in a conformist sort of way. I would love to be excelling and driven, and I guess I do ok, but I never think I'm successful enough and I used to be a slacker because of performance anxiety or something. I have high ambitions, which I may not have the courage to pursue for a long time. Because of being image conscious, I think. I'm worried about what people think, and so just hide from attention even though I really want it. I'm not shy about my intellectual abilities. But at the same time I don't want to come across as conceited...
    Type Four is expressive, dramatic, self-absorbed, and temperamental.
    I can be all of these at times, but not particularly so except probably being self absorbed (even though I don't mean to be). Temperamental only because I can get annoyed easily; people don't always know it though because I'm quiet. But if I have something I want to express I do it. I don't like drama, but I've been known to get wrapped up in it without knowing that's what I was doing, usually based on false assumptions and paranoia. And then afterward I was ashamed.
    Type Five is perceptive, innovative, secretive, and isolated.
    I'm not secretive at all, and I don't like isolation at all, even though I've tended to be. I have the 5 drive to seek knowledge and understand how thing work though. I'm endlessly curious. If I could live forever I'd end up with a million college degrees.
    Type Six is engaging, responsible, anxious, and suspicious.
    Yep. I'm just not overly loyal, and I don't particularly like established structures and authority and such. I respect what's legitimate, and conform enough to successfully navigate the system.
    Type Seven is spontaneous, versatile, acquisitive, and scattered.
    All of these, but less spontaneous, and I'm not really materialistic. I like being prepared and having an idea of what's going to happen. If I can't prepare for something I get nervous. Also because I'm not good at efficiently fitting everything I have to do into my schedule, and so I'll be anxious about there being something I should be doing instead.
    Type Eight is self-confident, decisive, willful, and confrontational.
    Sometimes the last two, sometimes self confident, but not decisive. And I don't like feeling like a dominating or imposing kind of person.
    Type Nine is receptive, reassuring, complacent, and resigned.
    Not so much the second two because I'm very optimistic and always coming up with possibilities for positive change in situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeaT View Post
    Really sounds like Ne dominance with F auxiliary (but you're right that ENTP probably fits better if you have a preference for Ti over Te as tertiary). I see @Maybe reason and express herself in a very similar manner. You are probably right about being an irrational dominant type. You're more concerned about being open about data than making judgements or coming to conclusions.
    That last part is definitely true. See, I was social and outgoing up to age 7 when we moved, and suddenly people thought I was weird; so that's when I created an artificial imaginary social life and lived there for about a decade. I've been trying to become social again ever since I was a teenager, but it's hard because it's such a habit and I don't always know how to act, and I've developed some social anxiety. People and crowds do energize me, it's just that they energize me too much, and I get hyperactive and anxious. So I call myself a closet extrovert because I think I'd be happier if I was, and I've sort of been forced to live the life of an introvert because I didn't know how not to. Anyway, explaining the x. I think it's probably somewhat common. I'm pretty happy as an ambivert, and being INTP has made me good at philosophy.


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