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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Actually, the mean average (for men and women) according to that link (where it seems to be based on self reporting from couples seeking counseling) is exactly the same as the chart you just made. [eta: ...which seems odd to me because that means an accurate representation from all types went to seek counseling? I'm probably misunderstanding something here. But anyway, the numbers from Enneagram Monthly are apparently the same.]
    It's kind of interesting. Even if the numbers are significantly different for those two sets of statistics (Enneagram Monthly vs. Rheti), the charts seem to tell a similar story with respect to forum membership:

    1. 2s, 8s, 1s and 9s are under-represented on the forum
    2. 4s and 5s are over-represented on the forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post


    I also thought this is kind of astonishing. 82% of INTPs are 5s? That's a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I also thought this is kind of astonishing. 82% of INTPs are 5s? That's a lot.

    Well, taking into account that’s about the INTPs here, it doesn’t really surprise me. This is the typical ‘affirmation’ for an e5:

    Reflect on this quotation: "Today, realize that fantasizing, theorizing, and speculating can all be enjoyable pastimes, but learn to honestly assess when you are using them to avoid more troubling issues in your real life."
    Back to basics today: remember that your Basic Desire is to be understand reality and uncover the essence of things. Can you become aware of how your Basic Desire is the root of many of your most compelling motivations and unconscious actions?
    A major feature of your personality is the tendency to become fascinated by offbeat, esoteric subjects, and strange artificial worlds. While these may be interesting to you, they often become a huge waste of time. Watch for this in yourself today.
    Be aware that your "characteristic temptation" is to replace direct experience with concepts. Average to Unhealthy Fives literally "think too much," in categories that are not pertinent or useful to solving the problem at hand. How can you stay fully in the direct experience of your body today?
    Read: a strong tendency to flee into esoteric, theoretical constructs for a sense of comfort. It goes a long way in explaining the high representation of e5, I think. I suspect the % of e5 in any mbti type here will be higher than that of the general population. I’m not sure about the e4s though (as far as understanding why they’d flock here).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Well, taking into account that’s about the INTPs here, it doesn’t really surprise me. This is the typical ‘affirmation’ for an e5:


    Read: a strong tendency to flee into esoteric, theoretical constructs for a sense of comfort. It goes a long way in explaining the high representation of e5, I think. I suspect the % of e5 in any mbti type here will be higher than that of the general population. I’m not sure about the e4s though (as far as understanding why they’d flock here).
    That makes complete sense as to why we would have so many 5s. It would be worthwhile to look at the number of 6w5s and 4w5s in the forum population as well. There are probably a lot centered around that 5'ness.

    Another thing I took out of the individual MBTI/Enneagram stats is that for almost all the types I ran the numbers for, there is one Enneagram type that seems to dominate very strongly. For INTPs, INTJs and ISTPs, it's Enneagram 5. For Ne Doms, it's Enneagram 7. For INFPs and INFJs, it's Enneagram 4. I knew there would be a relationship but had no idea it would be that strong. For some of the types at 3% of the forum membership or below, I don't have quite as much confidence in the distribution because the numbers are low.

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    This is another study that includes a distribution of different types. It's a small sample (241) and 73% of the test takes were female but every bit adds up to something representative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    What would you speculate on these things:
    - Why would we have so few Enneagram 9s, 6s, 1s, and 2s compared to the population at large?
    The profiles of these type are usually unflattering, while profiles for 4s and 5s are too ubiquitous.

    1s are often pictured as boring, rigid, moralistic preachers (who would want to be this type?). Many healthy 1s type themselves as 5s and go on believing this typing for years. 2s are pictured as people-pleasers, which is not as exciting as the glamorous image of type 4 where they end up typing themselves. 6s and 9s are depicted as pushovers. Quite a few 6s type into 8s.

    - Why would we have so many Enneagram 5s and 4s compared to the population at large?
    The profiles of these types are more complimenting and more universally encompassing than profiles of other types.

    - It looks like the previous dominance of 4s and 5s may be decreasing and percentage of 6s is increasing. Thoughts as to why?
    - Any other thoughts?
    People studying enneagram in greater depth? Stereotypes getting rigorously dismantled? Frankly, I don't have a clue.

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    It's also worth noting that there are a lot of special snowflakes on the Internet and many of them may gravitate toward 4 and 5 descriptions.

    It's kind of like people who think they MUST be INFJs because they're "special" and "broken" and the reason other people don't get along with them is because they're sooooo insightful and 100% right about everyone all the time, and you know, that freaks people out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    Read: a strong tendency to flee into esoteric, theoretical constructs for a sense of comfort. It goes a long way in explaining the high representation of e5, I think.
    I looked up the wing types for Enneagram 4 and 6 on the forum. There are 5.4 4w5s for every 1 4w3. There are 1.7 6w5s for every 1 6w7. It points towards more evidence in support of your theory.


    Quote Originally Posted by sulfit View Post
    The profiles of these type are usually unflattering, while profiles for 4s and 5s are too ubiquitous.

    1s are often pictured as boring, rigid, moralistic preachers (who would want to be this type?). Many healthy 1s type themselves as 5s and go on believing this typing for years. 2s are pictured as people-pleasers, which is not as exciting as the glamorous image of type 4 where they end up typing themselves. 6s and 9s are depicted as pushovers. Quite a few 6s type into 8s.
    I've always been confused by this. It defeats the purpose to identify with a type that you are not. There is little positive gain to the individual by doing this. I'm sure 6s are under-represented in our forum population as you state. One of the reasons in my mind is that it is the most confusing Enneagram type to understand. Also it seems reasonable that generally counterphobic 6s would erroneously type into 8s (as I did). There are not a lot of 8s here though.

    All the Enneagram descriptions sound bad. That's sort of the point. It's about your fixations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    It's also worth noting that there are a lot of special snowflakes on the Internet and many of them may gravitate toward 4 and 5 descriptions.

    It's kind of like people who think they MUST be INFJs because they're "special" and "broken" and the reason other people don't get along with them is because they're sooooo insightful and 100% right about everyone all the time, and you know, that freaks people out.
    You would get along with Vicky Jo.
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    Neat!

    Re: the high number of E5s- it's worth mentioning that this forum sprang forth out of the skull of an INTP-specific forum, and has always been INTP-heavy as a result. INTPs, at least those who gravitated towards INTPC, most often Etype as 5s.

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