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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    In fact, to me that's part of the usefulness of enneagram right there - there is a spectrum of growth points. Not so much with typology.
    Enneagram is phenomenal for development, but I think typology is just as useful for the notion of cognitive growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia. View Post
    Enneagram is phenomenal for development, but I think typology is just as useful for the notion of cognitive growth.
    Interesting ... cognitive understanding and awareness indeed, but growth? Can you make a tree grow faster than it will grow otherwise? A little perhaps, but not much so.

    Some things just take the time they're going to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Interesting ... cognitive understanding and awareness indeed, but growth? Can you make a tree grow faster than it will grow otherwise? A little perhaps, but not much so.
    When we're talking MBTI, we're talking neuropsychology. And yes, one can influence the rate of growth tremendously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia. View Post
    When we're talking MBTI, we're talking neuropsychology. And yes, one can influence the rate of growth tremendously.
    Explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    In fact, to me that's part of the usefulness of enneagram right there - there is a spectrum of growth points. Not so much with typology.
    I think Enneagram falls under typology though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Explain.
    The brain is incredibly plastic. MBTI/Jungian literature even alludes to this regularly, in the form of cautioning people not to answer the tests based on how they currently operate in their jobs, personal lives, hobbies, etc. and instead from an examination of their natural "hard-wiring" and preferences. Function development is brain development, and we do it every day in order to adapt. Many things can influence how well it is received and how successful it is, and it can also be done intentionally. Left vs. right handedness is a classic example - we are born with a preferred hand. That is a brain preference. However, through intentional cultivation and focus, one can become just as good at using the opposing hand. Is the person still right-handed? Absolutely. That is and always will be their natural preference and gifting. They just now have the ability to use their left hand in a way that enhances their options.

    This is a good article on neuroplasticity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    Isn't the whole point of typology to stereotype? And if you break the stereotype, you are not that type? MB & Enneagram are entertaining in theory.. but flawed because you cannot prove a type. First of all, type theories are man-made. Secondly, the attribution of type to oneself or to someone other than ourselves is completely subjective. How we see ourselves and how others see us are not really telling as to who we are. We hide things about ourselves from ourselves, and we hide things about ourselves from others. We pretend to be what we are not; we strive to be what we are not. Typology is no more than entertainment.
    That's under the assumption that all qualities of an individual are included in a stereotype, which they typically aren't and aren't intended to be. According to enneagram, everyone possesses each "driver", or type. Expecting even an entire personality inventory such as the 9 points to cover all of one's traits is jumping the gun, overlooking qualities and patterns that may still apply and may be reflected upon if we know how to conduct self-analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I think Enneagram falls under typology though.
    Apologies for the confusion - I was thinking of enneagram vs MBTI / cognitive functions.
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