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    Nice job BlackCat! Don't you have a resident "let BlackCat type you!" thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Ultimately I am inclined to disagree that any sort of combination between Enneagram and JCF is necessarily impossible, even for the reasons that you have mentioned, however I have lost interest in the subject to formulate a really long argument to your thesis.
    I used to mildly think that anyone could be anything, but that they would just be exceptionally rare. Then I started reading stuff like Naranjo and my mind got changed. It's really that important. Like I've said in other threads, I think that there is a degree of understanding when it comes to the enneagram that you attain when you read Naranjo vs any other book.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Speaking for myself, I don't relate to the portrait of the 6 at all, either phobic or counterphobic.

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    Ok, so with @BlackCat's permission, I updated his MBTI-Enneagram correlation chart with a better color scheme:

    Last edited by Zarathustra; 05-29-2012 at 11:36 AM.

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    Oh, and here are my observations, comments, and questions:

    Observations:
    ISJs (Si) are highest correlated with enneagram 1
    EFJs (Fe) are highest correlated with enneagram 2
    Extroverts are highest correlated with enneagram 3 (ET>EF)
    IFPs (Fi) are highest correlated with enneagram 4 (INFJs are only other significantly correlated type)
    ITPs (Ti) are highest correlated with enneagram 5
    Every MBTI type is correlated with enneagram 6
    ETJs (Te) are highest correlated with enneagram 6 [ - question/doubt/are skeptical of the objective truth (Te) of statements, propositions, beliefs? - supress Fi]
    EPs (Pe) are highest correlated with enneagram 7 [ - fight anxiety by immersing themselves (i.e., their dominant perceptive functions) in the external world]
    ETJs (Te) are highest correlated with enneagram 8
    ESPs (Se) are highly correlated with enneagram 8 [ - accounts for "Te flavor" of Se in Socionics]
    Introverts are highest correlated with enneagram 9 (IP>IJ, F>T)

    Barely any Ps are 1s (lulz) (only 3/4 IPs)
    No Ts are 2s (lulz)
    Barely any Is are 3s (only INTJ and ISTP [in that order])
    Barely any Ts are 4s (only INTP and INTJ)
    Few Es are 5s (only ENTPs)
    Is are more likely to be 6w5s
    Es are more likely to be 6w7s
    Few Is are 7s (only SPs)
    Few Is are 8s (only ISTP, INTJ, ISTJ)
    Barely any Es are 9s (only EFPs [and those are rare])

    NFs are somewhat correlated with 4
    NTs are somewhat correlated with 5
    SJs are highly correlated with 1
    SPs are somewhat correlated with 7

    No IJs are 7s or 8w7s
    No EPs are 1s (lulz)
    Few EPs are 2s (only the EFPs [and those are rare/uncommon])
    Few EPs are 4s (only ENFPs [and those are uncommon])
    No EJs are 5s
    No EJs are 9s (??)

    No IFPs (Fi, suppress Te) are 3s (??)
    No ETJs (Te, suppress Fi) are 4s
    No EFJs are 8s (??)

    ISTPs have the second most (non-weighted) variation in their enneagram types
    ISTJs have the least variation in their enneagram types
    ISTJs are one of four types with no rare type
    INFJs are the only type without a very common type
    INTJs are only non-Ti-dom highly correlated with enneagram 5
    ENTPs are one of four types with no rare type
    ENTPs have similar enneagram types as ESTPs, but are more likely to be 5s, and less likely to be 8s
    ESTPs are one of four types with no rare types
    ESTPs have the most very common enneagram types
    ESTPs have the most (weighted) variation in their enneagram types
    ENFPs have the most (non-weighted) variation in their enneagram types

    Most likely 2s: EFJs>ISFJ>INFJ>EFPs and ISFP>INFP [ - Fe is giving, Fi is selfish :P]
    ENPs are equally likely as ESPs to be 7s, but ESPs (Se) are more likely to be 8s than ENPs (Ne)


    6s, 9s, and 3s are the least correlated to any one MBTI type
    Among enneagram 6s, extroverts are more likely to be 6w7, and introverts 6w5
    Only Fs who are commonly 6w5s are INFPs and INFJs
    Only Is who are commonly 6w7s are the sensors
    Only Es who are commonly 6w5s are ENTP, ENTJ, and ESTJ

    Questions:
    No IFPs are 3s?
    No ESFP 4s?
    No ENFJ 8s or 9s? Martin Luther King? Reagan?
    No ENTJ 9s? How about @Wind-Up Rex (or is she 8w9)?

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    Are INFP 9w1's really uber-common? Empirically, I don't feel like there are many of us on the forum ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Oh, and here are my observations, comments, and questions:



    Questions:
    No IFPs are 3s?
    No ESFP 4s?
    No ENFJ 8s or 9s? Martin Luther King? Reagan?
    No ENTJ 9s? How about Wind-Up Rex (or is she 8w9)?
    @Juice is ENFJ 8. It seems about right. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Are INFP 9w1's really uber-common? Empirically, I don't feel like there are many of us on the forum ...
    From my experience, when you think INFP, you think 4w5, then 9w1.

    All other enneagram types are definitely behind those two.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    @Juice is ENFJ 8. It seems about right. lol
    Yeah, I would think ENFJ 8s would get at least a rare, if not an uncommon (a common even?).

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    yeah agreed. ENFJ is one of the "in charge" types so I don't think it would be completely farfetched for an ENFJ to be 8.

    We ENFJs can be some controlling mofos. :P

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    One of the other interesting things I noticed while looking over @BlackCat's chart is that it works like a "heat index" pointing to the most likely tritypes for each of the MBTI types. Wherever its darkest in each of the triads, that's where someone of that MBTI type is most likely to have a fix in that triad. So like, I've been noticing that almost all my EP friends seem to be some version of the 378 ("The Mover and Shaker") tritype, and, well, take a look at the chart, and that's what the heat index would point you to. I, myself, am either a 683 ("The Justice Fighter") or a 684 ("The Truth Teller"), and, once again, look at the chart, and it points to either one of those two for INTJs, or one of the others that I've also considered (583, 584, 613, 614, 513, 514).

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