wrong, 9s are self forgetting and disconnected from their own thoughts and feelings (actually, they're disconnected from just about everything most of the time). healthy 9s become proactive, discover their voice, what they want for themselves, what they want to do and go out and get it, but until then, they are extremely wimpy
PS: accommodating types get on my nerves, but I don't know if I'd call all of them wimpy.
yep, seeming and being are two different things.
in such regards, 9s are probably the most spineful for standing their peace no matter what.
i do nothing if someone hits me, but thats cause i dont see a point in doing anything, 9 does same to conserve peace, and if stron 1 wing, might even choose to remove the person from this realm as to prevent it from happening to others. (usually i choose so for the other persons life is anyways not worth a single attention, and probably the reason they attack me.. since proceeding into an action wouldnt change anything, the damage is done.).
I think 9s generally have a higher threshold for what they will deem worthy of opening up a can over. That being said, when unhealthy I do think 9s can be extreeeemely wimpy and pathetic.
Unhealthy 9s and unhealthy phobic 6s.
9s can be so avoidant and passive I want to shake them,
Yeeee-ep.
Healthy 9s though are a kind of quiet leader, they aren't passive, but active mediators who are a calm eye in a center of a storm.
Yeeee-ep.
I think there is often some real misunderstanding of the motivations of some of their behavior, especially when healthy. When unhealthy 9s behavior is coming from a place of avoidance. When healthy a 9s behavior is coming from a place of self-control and internal-archoring and awareness of the greater good, sense of whole, and governing dynamics. In both circumstances it might be a behavior, action, or mentality that is foreign to other types, and they may interpret it as wimpy. But it is actually being propelled by an enormous amount of energy, strength, and concentration to carry it out. Whereas to a healthy 9, sometimes the "non-wimpy" behavior of the other types seems wimpy, because the 9 is thinking "get a grip."
It’s almost like there is no middle ground because they are built to function at the ends. When unhealthy, they are the wimpiest. When healthy, they are among the strongest, if not the strongest.
yep, id say 9 is the least wimpy of all types. they hold their values both inside and out, ready to make even a physical stand if necessary.
while i have millions of values in but not ready to do much of anything else than friendly influence to better the world with them.
As mentioned, one’s MBTI will influence it, but regardless, in some of the descriptions I’ve read of 9, it is often pointed out that 9s can handle things that would make the other enneatypes fall apart. I often feel I have an inordinate amount of inner strength, anchoring, and self-control from which to draw on … not sure how to describe it. I’m sure being Fi dom influences it, but I really don’t think being an Fi dom explains all of it. Like my response is based off of something bigger than me, and it isn’t going to be shaken by situational circumstances, and I attribute some of that to the healthier level 9 sensitivity and orientation to the whole and deeper layers of the universe.
Didn't read the whole thread, but I want to add something about 9's. I think they're not necessarily passive out of wimpiness or submissiveness, but because they're easygoing and aren't easily bothered by things. I noticed I seem to have an "Oh, it's fine, I don't mind" attitude, which can sometimes look like submissiveness on the outside I suppose.
This has been an issue my whole life and is actually a rare source of anger for me. That people often mistake kindness for weakness, or desire to harmonize and assist as an invitation to take advantage or take for granted. It pisses me off – really upsets me - that most of the time I can’t just display my natural nature and desire and let my guard down in terms of being gentle, accommodating, loving and flexible without being worried it will be mistaken for weakness and an invitation to exploit.
My husband is a 9 most likely and I pity the fool who would actually hit him.
And I thought I was quick enough to fix my error --- and it even showz up in your quote
