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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Yet he somehow survived 4 years of imprisonment and hard labor in 19th century Siberia, lifelong epilepsy, and mostly a string of professional failures and setbacks. And instead of curling up in a ball of emo bitterness, he said "Life is in ourselves and not in the external. To be a human being among human beings, and remain one forever, no matter what misfortunes befall, not to become depressed, and not to falter--this is what life is, herein lies its task." In the end, he stomped a giant footprint not only on literature, but psychology and philosophy as well. I, for one, am humbled by this particular wimp.
    I am humbled.

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    i bet he isn't even a 6. lets ask him --- ooh yeah, he's dead. wimp.
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    7 scores and 8 years ago.

    Think hard and clear on this one. It is no wonder he is one of the highest rated and venerated person out there in American history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku View Post
    yep, seeming and being are two different things.

    in such regards, 9s are probably the most spineful for standing their peace no matter what.

    i do nothing if someone hits me, but thats cause i dont see a point in doing anything, 9 does same to conserve peace, and if stron 1 wing, might even choose to remove the person from this realm as to prevent it from happening to others. (usually i choose so for the other persons life is anyways not worth a single attention, and probably the reason they attack me.. since proceeding into an action wouldnt change anything, the damage is done.)

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    and im far too intuitive to even notice the attack until its done.. (ughf, expecting others to have morals when they really dont <.<)
    just makes me double blind, or triple as a 4w3 i couldnt care less of people who intentionally fail their lives by alcohol or egoisticness.
    My husband is a 9 most likely and I pity the fool who would actually hit him.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    psychopaths are born, not made. (they are genetically different than normal humans and have a completely dysfunctional amygdala)
    as for a sociopath, I'd say the most likely types are 3, 7w8 and 8

    overall, I view the types at their worst as
    1: OCD, hateful bigotry
    2: entitled narcissism
    3: grandiose narcissism
    4: borderline personality, narcissism
    5: schizoid
    6: OCD
    7: histrionic, Peter Pan syndrome
    8: anti social personality disorder
    9s: schizoid, avoidant personality disorder
    actually, some claim psychopathy is a personality disorder (Se + Fe dominance/loop?)

    and it would make sense, since one can abandon empathy completely just by will and thats what psychopaths are, they simply dont value empathy thus their skill of it deprives. and at some point has disappeared completely.
    brains are muscles, of course parts of it will disappear ocmpletely if you dont have use for them.

    i watched one document of psychopaths, and psychopathy seemed to fit se/Fe loop perfectly and how they described sociopaths, was as they had empathy and didnt liek what they do, but did anyways.

    and se/fe loops dont really care at all for the others, like psychoes so it wouldnt fit sociopathy.

    maybe those parts of brain have even evolved off due to monetary culture as it is, psychopathy is genetic.

    the number of estps is huge so itd be no surprise if plenty of them chose to become psychopaths since thats what western culture values. what enviroment values, you become, or you resist.

    (also modern medicines are a likely cause for psychopathy, ahem, anti depressants. what they do? suppress your felings, you can see the connection + humans brain chemicals were never made to be tempered with.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    A wimp is defined in the dictionary as a timid, unadventurous coward, so through the process of elimination...

    4 is a withdrawn heart type
    6 is a compliant head type
    8 is a assertive instinct type
    9 is a withdrawn instinct type

    Hmmmm... 4 or 6...

    I don't know y'all, type 4 looks pretty wimpy.
    yeah, im unadventurous. i prefer inaction over action in the face of a problem.

    but then, i dont long for either of those, since i prefer to adventure inside my own head over repeating limited amount of patterns my physical exterior is able to simulate, when my interior can simulate thousands the times of it and even poses the ability to translate it outside in various forms of art and creativity.

    i accept the fact this existence we live in is far greater than i, and my influence over it is limited but within myself, i have more control to than anyone else alive these days. and my perception of the world.

    subjectively inwards, wimpiness = unhealthiness of will
    subjectively outwards, wimpiness = lack of what you value.
    thus it allows the possibility of 8 being the most wimpy in the eyes of four, since they lack everything we care for. and the other way too. 4 and 8 are like opposite sides of a coin, 8s try to control outwards 4s inward.


    we should come to the resolve there is no universal definitions. everything is subjective, and promoting something subjective as universal wont change that fact.

    so, wimpiness in statistical sense = the most popular ennea types view on lacking what they value of life.

    + that the ennea user is a grammar nazi enough to preach their definition as the sole correct one <.<

    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    My husband is a 9 most likely and I pity the fool who would actually hit him.
    yep, id say 9 is the least wimpy of all types. they hold their values both inside and out, ready to make even a physical stand if necessary.

    while i have millions of values in but not ready to do much of anything else than friendly influence to better the world with them.

    9 is, after all, in body triad.

    in that sense, 9 might hold their values more firmly but in the end, is one who likely less influenced others. (depends what ennea it is to be compared to, and as always, in statistical avarage sense since every ennea is capable of it. but bring me one 4 whose life goal isnt to influence the world in a positive way.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    it will if they aren't integrated. an average/unhealthy can be great at comforting and mediating, but if you're talking about facing/dealing with a problem directly and being willing to deal with any conflict that comes up, we're talking about an integrated 9
    You ignore that the 9s out there have an 8 wing?

    And even without that, having a strong preference for avoiding conflict doesn't mean someone is by default a "weak, cowardly, or ineffectual person", they may be, or they may simply be focused on other aims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku View Post
    yep, id say 9 is the least wimpy of all types. they hold their values both inside and out, ready to make even a physical stand if necessary.

    9 is, after all, in body triad.

    in that sense, 9 might hold their values more firmly but in the end, is one who likely less influenced others..


    If I have a vote on that mine is "lol no, I ain't got no Fi".

    9s are a gut type, but they are the gut type that is out of touch with being a gut type. Dilema.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku View Post
    actually, some claim psychopathy is a personality disorder (Se + Fe dominance/loop?)

    and it would make sense, since one can abandon empathy completely just by will and thats what psychopaths are, they simply dont value empathy thus their skill of it deprives. and at some point has disappeared completely.
    brains are muscles, of course parts of it will disappear ocmpletely if you dont have use for them.

    i watched one document of psychopaths, and psychopathy seemed to fit se/Fe loop perfectly and how they described sociopaths, was as they had empathy and didnt liek what they do, but did anyways.

    and se/fe loops dont really care at all for the others, like psychoes so it wouldnt fit sociopathy.

    maybe those parts of brain have even evolved off due to monetary culture as it is, psychopathy is genetic.

    the number of estps is huge so itd be no surprise if plenty of them chose to become psychopaths since thats what western culture values. what enviroment values, you become, or you resist.

    (also modern medicines are a likely cause for psychopathy, ahem, anti depressants. what they do? suppress your felings, you can see the connection + humans brain chemicals were never made to be tempered with.)
    Well, while I think it is true that many psychopaths are in Se/Fe loops, I don't think that is the cause for their disorder; rather, it is a byproduct of it.

    However, the Se/Fe loop shares great similarities with psychopathy. For example, in the movie American Psycho, the main character was in an Se/Fe loop (although it was actually an Fe/Se loop, as he was an ESFJ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post


    If I have a vote on that mine is "lol no, I ain't got no Fi".
    could you elaborate what you mean by that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Well, while I think it is true that many psychopaths are in Se/Fe loops, I don't think that is the cause for their disorder; rather, it is a byproduct of it.

    However, the Se/Fe loop shares great similarities with psychopathy. For example, in the movie American Psycho, the main character was in an Se/Fe loop (although it was actually an Fe/Se loop, as he was an ESFJ).
    how came you to that conclusion? once in a loop, the original type doesnt have any effects upon the person.
    and actually, werent all the "killings" just his imagination which he thought to be real?
    i dont recall Se being a function which would leave space for imagination, not in any case.
    people with Se get depressed if they use Ne to construct imaginaion worlds, cause they cant have it, yet they long to have it all in touchable way.

    and with the loop cause, im not suggesting its the only way, just one more way to get it. humans are, like all animals, dynamic changing creatures and especially if you place us in a world of competition.. then psychopathy is the way to adapt. like for crocodiles, no empathy is the norm. and that is supported as the norm in many western countries by the majority of power holders who then influence their view on the rest.

    it shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone if you dont use some function, it deprives, and a life time not using it and its gone.
    in that way, all loops can cause deprivation of some necessary brain area if it goes on for a too long period.
    especially if it starts from young age, like kids who accept the no empathy cultural norm... cause parents taught them, but i refused. even though my family was like that, but couldnt say everyone is able to resist.

    you have to consider, what is the true origin of psychopathy?
    is it, a simple decision/belief someone has, that empathy is useless, taken to the extreme.
    it does seem we are our own architechts of our brains, that we can choose whatever of the available routes, and available routes are those which we hold blue prints to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku View Post
    how came you to that conclusion? once in a loop, the original type doesnt have any effects upon the person.
    and actually, werent all the "killings" just his imagination which he thought to be real?
    i dont recall Se being a function which would leave space for imagination, not in any case.
    people with Se get depressed if they use Ne to construct imaginaion worlds, cause they cant have it, yet they long to have it all in touchable way. [...]
    Oh, whoops. He was in an Fe/Ne loop, not Fe/Se loop. My apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku View Post
    could you elaborate what you mean by that?
    I'm honing in on this bit: "they hold their values both inside and out".

    I don't see E9 as being especially value driven, their MBTI type would have more influence on that, and as an ENTP; the type that doesn't hold and stick to strong morals for the most part, the influence is strong. Not that we're amoral it's just that we see everything in grey-scale when it comes to morals, there is always more information that can be brought to the table which can change the outcome so nothing is held to strongly.

    So from an ENTP E9 perspective I do not hold my values both inside and out. I do have ease of access to Fe so outside values do play a part but personal internal values are more of a Fi thing.

    I also wouldn't say that an E9 is ready to take a stand, everyone has their boundaries that once crossed means fight but the fight/flight response has E9s firmly in the 'withdraw' first category, figuratively speaking. We withdraw from problems, withdraw away from reality, we may not withdraw from a physical confrontation but we would first attempt to appease the situation verbally, we're peacekeepers when we can be.

    If the definition of wimpy is to be "weak, cowardly, or ineffectual person" then nothing about an E9 has them placed either way, you could consider avoiding issues weak, you could consider avoiding conflict cowardly and you could consider not facing reality ineffectual, but they're not necessarily as the view is subjective.

    The thing to keep in mind is E9 is in the anger triad, we are most out of touch with anger but it tends to go one of two ways when activated, rage or suppression. An E9 on rage would not be pleasant, or deemed wimpy I expect.

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