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    @Rail Tracer 2 things:

    1. That still doesn't give this freudian explanation an 'out'. I'm fine with how enneagram works, but the point is that this Timeless guy, as smart and insightful as he is, cannot solve puzzle he's set out to fix.

    2. Personally, I can understand why someone would be skeptical of tritypes, and this my response: don't see the tritype as an actual thing, an actual object out there. Just think of it as a descriptive tool. Healthy people of precisely the same types can still be very different. Take 2 healthy 4w3 so/sp's for example, one can be experimental, were as the other one can be more conservative. One can be more direct and aggressive and the other can be more laid back. Just use tritypes as an extra level of description that we can use and communicate with within the enneagram's framework. I really don't see why we couldn't do this. That seems to be another conversation though.
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    Freud didnt say that libido was all mental energy, that was jung(and that disagreement was one of the main reasons for their break up). Freuds view on libido was that its sexual energy, which comes from id.

    Imo sexual drive is bit misleading, as its about survival of the individual and human race. Following not only pleasure principle, but also aggressive drive, which at times complilent each other.
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    this thread needs more discussion
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    I cannot believe you forgot to mention @Icarus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I cannot believe you forgot to mentionIcarus
    I didn't know he was a member here
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    Interesting, and I like the theory. Definitely makes sense in a lot of aspects. I was surprised to see 3 being an Id type, as I associate 3 and "egotistical"! But it makes more sense as the Id.

    Frustrating to me personally that the description of 6 is all "rulez" - I don't find that particularly interesting or enlightening - in fact, it's rather off-putting - even though I definitely agree about 6 being a conscience-superego type. There's got to be a better way to describe it... we are actually quite like 5 and 4 in that we seek understanding, though we seek it in the external world as well as internal. We seek consistency. I do not think "rules" is a good way to describe it because they're not arbitrary commands; they're set patterns of how things operate. It's more like we're looking for an operating manual of how everything works, and we base our own personal standards on our current best guess of what those operating principles are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I cannot believe you forgot to mention @Icarus
    Oh, there you are. A mystery solved.

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    Wow, the ID is a bit massive in that under the water illustration thing.

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    It really makes sense for 6 to be the super-ego ...which is probably why 6's are so reactive about what they personally find right and wrong, or hold dear, especially with a 7 Id wing we probably seem especially like emotionally volatile assholes when we aren't in the upper levels, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    Oh, there you are. A mystery solved.

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