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    Default Typology gone NUTZ! (Celebrity Typing)

    You only have to describe someone as "serene" and "gentle" and a type 5 magically appears to be a 9.

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    'Einstein, 5w4 or 9w1 ?'


    'Tradesmen found him lovable, polite, serene, kindly, gentle
    and detached. Colleagues at Fine Hall used exactly the same
    words to describe Einstein to friends. He was the new "saint"
    of Princeton. When he patted a little girl on the head, every-
    one in town grew shiny-eyed.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'Elsa's condition deteriorated through 1936. By December,
    she was dying. Einstein spent many hours at her bedside, read-
    ing and talking to her. But he had his emotions under firm
    control. Although there were tears in his eyes, his head was
    clear. "In this atmosphere of coming death," said Infeld, "Ein-
    stein remained serene and worked constantly." '

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    '"Just to be with the Professor seemed to help you ease
    tension," said Fred Biallas, who had many tense moments
    with the Princeton boat crews. "In other words, I think it
    would have been impossible to have held a grudge or be riled
    while talking to him. He was so serene himself that the feeling
    seemed to pass on to you.”'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'Now, Einstein's name surged in and out of the newspapers.
    People saw him as a doughty old warrior in a do-or-die attempt
    to stop the cold war and promote his world government. Let-
    ters and statements tumbled out of his Mercer Street study.
    Einstein, the theoretical physicist, dissolved into Einstein, the
    saintly world citizen a kind old man devoting his last years
    to bringing happiness to the earth.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'That was the image Einstein put forward to the world. A
    few newspapers sent reporters to Princeton to help build it
    up. Friends and neighbors praised his humility and serenity,
    his many kind deeds. The sweet stories were printed around
    the world. The myth was the man.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'Besides all this, Prague was a surly city. It was peopled
    mainly with Czechs, Germans and Jews, and each group was
    constantly insulting the other. To the irritation of the German
    professors, Einstein would not pick sides. He thought such
    bickering infantile. He stayed aloof, devoting all his time to
    his job and to his private research. Students enjoyed the ses-
    sions with Einstein in the physics laboratory. There was al-
    ways an air of uncertainty; frequently his experiments did not
    work.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'Few in Prague had any notion of the extent of Einstein's
    obsession with physics. It even intruded into his music. He
    needed to play well-turned, complete pieces. He wanted har-
    mony in his music as well as in the universe. To him, this
    meant Mozart. He played Mozart beautifully, and he played
    Mozart often.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    '"He sought friends with whom he could play music or dis-
    cuss ideas about the universe," said Philipp Frank, the physicist
    and Einstein biographer who was to replace Einstein in Prague.
    "Yet he did not like to become so intimate with his friends
    that they could in any way interfere with his freedom. His
    attractive, frank and witty personality easily made friends, but
    his prediliction for isolation and his concentration on his artistic
    and scientific life disappointed many people and estranged
    some who had been, or at least believed themselves to be, his
    friends."'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'Einstein fairly brimmed over with life. Like a child, he liked
    to sneak extra time in bed in the morning. Mileva would
    finally get him out. He whistled merrily while he shaved and
    dressed. He ate breakfast hungrily and walked off to the uni-
    versity, twenty minutes away, with a jaunty stride. In the
    late afternoon, before dinner, he spent time with his sons.
    He liked to play with their toys. He loved to play his violin
    while Hans Albert played a little tune on the piano, Edward
    was only three then and just starting to plunk the piano. His
    father said it would not be long before "Teddy" was playing
    too. At three, Edward was already reading. Sometimes the
    boys were naughty and Einstein spanked them. But he could
    not stay angry. He preferred to laugh. Hans Albert thought
    his father was "a riot." But not when he was working. He hated
    to be interrupted when he worked.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'Those were good days and everybody was content and pros-
    perous. The strife and hatred in other parts of Europe were
    far away. Mileva wanted this happy time to last forever. She
    was conscious of her brooding, but one day it would pass. The
    occasional squabbles with Albert were not all her fault. He
    had not changed basically since college. He was still infuriat-
    ingly vague about worldly matters. He could also be stubborn.
    If he reasoned something out to the last detail and made up
    his mind one way or the other, nobody could budge him.
    Take psychoanalysis, for instance. Albert had decided this
    was worth investigating. He studied it, reasoned it, and found
    it too inconclusive. After that, he refused to take it seriously.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'European nations were picking sides in the squabble and nobody was looking ahead to the day of climax. It would be a big explosion because Germany was behind Austria and Russia backed Serbia.

    Einstein was aware of this slow-burning fuse, but he hoped
    it would be snuffed out in time. He convinced himself that his
    work would be undisturbed, even in Berlin.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'Einstein's joy over his new advance in Relativity lasted
    him a long time and kept him immune from worries about the
    savagery of the world.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'Hedwig Born, the gentle wife of the brilliant physicist Max
    Born, used to talk over her troubles with Einstein. She was
    a Quaker and the war sickened her. "His serenity gave me
    peace of mind," she said.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]
    ---

    'The older the physicist grew, the more he
    lived in his intellect. He was now more obstinate about his
    scientific convictions, but he was as indecisive as ever about
    everyday matters that were unimportant to him. The analysis
    also gave one explanation of why Einstein did not brood and
    did not build up resentments. He had only flashes of hate or
    other high emotion. Mostly, he was serene. He was able very
    quickly to resign himself to personal disappointments, both in
    physics and in politics.'

    [Therefore Einstein was a 9?]

    As a final note, a couple years a psychologist working with my oldest step-daughter told me that I appeared very serene. (I'm a 5w4, same as Einstein.)
    "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson
    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

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    Wasn't Albert Einstein the archtypical 5w4?

    From what I read in a biography written about him several years ago, 5w4 seemed fairly obvious. Tri-type wise, he was probably 5w4 > 9w1 > 4w5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Wasn't Albert Einstein the archtypical 5w4?

    From what I read in a biography written about him several years ago, 5w4 seemed fairly obvious. Tri-type wise, he was probably 5w4 > 9w1 > 4w5.
    How do you define tri-types?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Wasn't Albert Einstein the archtypical 5w4?

    From what I read in a biography written about him several years ago, 5w4 seemed fairly obvious. Tri-type wise, he was probably 5w4 > 9w1 > 4w5.
    I think his trifix was 5w4-9w1-3w2. from what I've heard about him. he was quite friendly and surprisingly people oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I think his trifix was 5w4-9w1-3w2. from what I've heard about him. he was quite friendly and surprisingly people oriented.
    what exactly is a trifix?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    How do you define tri-types?
    According to tri-type theory, we each possess a fear based on each of the heart-head-gut triad; the heart triad (2, 3, 4) are image focused and deal with shame, the head triad (5, 6, 7) are security focused and deal with fear, the gut triad (8, 9, 1) are instinctive focused and deal with anger. So for example, is a person deals with shame by embracing their faults, deals with fear by retreating to the santuary of their mind, and deals with anger by repessing and ignoring it, then such a person would be 4-5-9. Order would depend on the strength of each type; a 4-5-9 is core 4, somewhat 5, and a little 9, or rather they deal with shame primarily, fear somewhat, and anger the least. And of course wings can be added on; so essentially rather than people being one type in the enneagram, they're a combination of three.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I think his trifix was 5w4-9w1-3w2. from what I've heard about him. he was quite friendly and surprisingly people oriented.
    3w2 for his heart fix could work . . . I should probably reread his biography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    According to tri-type theory, we each possess a fear based on each of the heart-head-gut triad; the heart triad (2, 3, 4) are image focused and deal with shame, the head triad (5, 6, 7) are security focused and deal with fear, the gut triad (8, 9, 1) are instinctive focused and deal with anger. So for example, is a person deals with shame by embracing their faults, deals with fear by retreating to the santuary of their mind, and deals with anger by repessing and ignoring it, then such a person would be 4-5-9. Order would depend on the strength of each type; a 4-5-9 is core 4, somewhat 5, and a little 9, or rather they deal with shame primarily, fear somewhat, and anger the least. And of course wings can be added on; so essentially rather than people being one type in the enneagram, they're a combination of three.
    3w2 for his heart fix could work . . . I should probably reread his biography.
    I haven't read it, so you probably know better than me.
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    Ne can masquerade as 9, especially in INxP, because of its detachedness and tendency towards thought over action. But looking at Einstein's life as a whole, 5 seems to make more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Ne can masquerade as 9, especially in INxP, because of its detachedness and tendency towards thought over action. But looking at Einstein's life as a whole, 5 seems to make more sense.
    Ne seems like the opposite of 9 to me a lot of the. Ne is unfiltered and says whatever bizarre idea pops into it's head; 9 is tentative and conscientious with words, as not to disrupt the natural harmony of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Ne seems like the opposite of 9 to me a lot of the. Ne is unfiltered and says whatever bizarre idea pops into it's head; 9 is tentative and conscientious with words, as not to disrupt the natural harmony of things.
    Ne is a Perceiving mind process - it has no say in what we express outwardly. Still, I agree with you in the aspect that Ne does not enact harmony. It only sees.

    What I am referring to is that if you read certain of Einstein's musings on the universe, he sees things as a coherent picture. He was ever searching for a unified field theory, much as a 9 would be expected to. He sought to unify as much as he did to analyze. But these things are as much explained by the nature of Ne in desiring to see the big, connected picture as they are by enneatype 9.

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