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    I have presented here my theory on a new form of the Enneagram that I have created. I welcome any and all advice, critique, discussion, etc. So please, tell me what ya'll think of it



    New Enneagram

    Non-Adjacent Wings
    Given that the current method of incorporating adjacent wings doesn't make any sense nor has any reason behind it, I think that any given type should be able to be paired with any other respective type. In fact, the only reason for adjacent wings is because of the arbitrary design of the current system; all enneagram models thus far have focused on a circle and particular pattern of type arrangement, however there is no logical foundation for why the types must be arranged in this method in the first place. Therefore since that aspect of the model is both senseless and unnecessary, I think it would be best to simply get rid of it. So as follows, these would be the given number of possible types:

    1w2
    1w3
    1w4
    etc.

    Thus there will be a grand total of 72 individual types.

    Separation from Tri-Type and Integration Points
    Considering the fact that there's now 72 individual types, the idea of having a tri-type theory may seem redundant and unnecessary, as well as overly complex and convoluted. However, given the unique and diverse nature of individual people, addition of the tri-type may make sense given that it could box people into very specific niches concerning their own personalities.

    Integration points are both counter-intuitive and possess a sheer lack of evidence to validate its realness. Therefore I would rather keep it separate from the new system, especially with the presence of new types (explained below).

    However I should point out that under my system, both tri-type and integration points can be included into the system at any time, or simple excluded entirely. My system remains intact regardless of the presence of tri-type or integration points.

    Possible New Types
    Given that enneagram types are ultimately dependent on motivations/fears, it would only seem logical then that there should exist any given number of possible motivations/fears that can be incorporated. There is no valid reason for why 9 types should be the set minimal and maximum amount. However, as of now I have not contemplated what other motivations/fears/types would be best to add to the new system, but further analysis and review with others may yield tangible results.

    New Name
    Given that the old enneagram shape will become completely irrelevant, the title of 'enneagram' will simple be confusing, especially in part with the older enneagram models. Therefore I think a new name for this system is in order. As it stands a new name has yet to be decided on, but it is not of immediate nor dire importance.

    Altering the Instinctual Variants
    As it currently stands, the instinctual variants are suppose to divide any given enneagram type into a new type by means of a certain drive; the self, sexual, and social. However, I feel that the current definitions of them are far too specific and read like individual types of their own. So I would broaden them to incorporate the simple attraction to things; sp = attraction to self and immediate environment, sx = attraction to close others and merging intensity, so = attraction to greater sphere of group and society. Also, while stacking will still be an integral part of the system, there is no reason to assume that any one person must be inferior in any given instinctual variant; it is possible to be equally strong among sp, sx, and so.

    EDIT: post # 2600

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    Uh-oh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I'm headed out soon, but I'll take a look when I can...Good for you!
    Thanks you

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    Uh-oh.
    Have you forseen the possible bad events that may arise from this thread? No matter, I deal with them in a constructive and respectful manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Thanks you



    Have you forseen the possible bad events that may arise from this thread? No matter, I deal with them in a constructive and respectful manner.
    I know YOU will, but our enneagram "expert" might not be so keen on this idea of yours.
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    I got a little bored with the MBTI so I've been looking into the Enneagram lately.

    The first thing I found is that everyone is trying to make their own version. Why? It's curious to me. But it's interesting too, there are so many different takes.

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    If you're going to change the wings so that they are no longer "wings," you can change that name too while you're at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    I know YOU will, but our enneagram "expert" might not be so keen on this idea of yours.
    Well as much as he disagrees he can be entitled to his opinion; if he wants to rant against it I'll let him.

    Quote Originally Posted by mustacheman View Post
    I got a little bored with the MBTI so I've been looking into the Enneagram lately.

    The first thing I found is that everyone is trying to make their own version. Why? It's curious to me. But it's interesting too, there are so many different takes.
    I feel as though the current model isn't good enough and I want to improve upon it. of course, when everyone starts making their own system, things can get confusing (which is why it might be better if everyone agrees with one whol theory that proves to be best).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    If you're going to change the wings so that they are no longer "wings," you can change that name too while you're at it.
    Good point Maybe branches? Extensions? Either way I'll think of a clever name to substitute wings eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    I feel as though the current model isn't good enough and I want to improve upon it. of course, when everyone starts making their own system, things can get confusing (which is why it might be better if everyone agrees with one whol theory that proves to be best).
    When I make mine, then.

    Well maybe not. How well all those new theories are put together though? But I was surprised the material from the main teachers is so sparse online. If it's just people trying to fill in blanks for themselves that's cool. Though MBTI stuff is not plentiful either, hmm. Anyway, I will try and keep with the original I think, for now at least. The other stuff like this is just fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustacheman View Post
    When I make mine, then.

    Well maybe not. How well all those new theories are put together though? But I was surprised the material from the main teachers is so sparse online. If it's just people trying to fill in blanks for themselves that's cool. Though MBTI stuff is not plentiful either, hmm. Anyway, I will try and keep with the original I think, for now at least. The other stuff like this is just fun.
    Indeed, it's generally better to keep with older system than have just anyone make their own (which happenned to Socionics where several people from the 16types website rejected the Model A and created a weird JCF-Socionics hybrid thing).

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