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  1. #21
    Away with the fairies Southern Kross's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I've had a few people suggest that, but most seem to see me squarely as 4w5. As far as emotional motivations & identifying traits go, the 4w5 fits me better over all. True, I am flippant, but I am not as socially geared as the 4w3, lack the ambition & competitive streak that often makes them more successful & less self-sabotaging, and am not much of a "performer" when it comes to expression. I'd argue my flippancy is more an aspect of a prickly 4 with a 5 wing than any jovial attitude.

    I also have my 4w5 mind twin Southern Kross to testify .

    As for self-doubt & being a half-glass-empty downer, I assure you I am. My mom was scolding me the other day for my negativity. It escalated into an argument where I insisted she just didn't understaaaaaaand. I'm known for sullenness & reservedness in person (sometimes unfairly, IMO), not a happy or optimistic demeanor. It's something I have to keep aware of & try to check because it, well, sabotages me. But I'm too often oblivious, and I get the sense 4w3s have a relatively higher awareness of their social image.
    Definitely a 4w5.

    Although I think with maturity, 4w5s like yourself, while retaining a pessimistic/melancholy core, can be slightly more self-assured, constructive and balanced, which could lead @Riva to mistake for the more upbeat and confident nature of a 4w3. And I agree, the flippancy is more in the vein of wry cynicism than cheeky affability.
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    I've dreamt in my life dreams that have stayed with me ever after, and changed my ideas;
    they've gone through and through me, like wine through water, and altered the colour of my mind.

    - Emily Bronte

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I've had a few people suggest that, but most seem to see me squarely as 4w5. As far as emotional motivations & identifying traits go, the 4w5 fits me better over all. True, I am flippant, but I am not as socially geared as the 4w3, lack the ambition & competitive streak that often makes them more successful & less self-sabotaging, and am not much of a "performer" when it comes to expression. I'd argue my flippancy is more an aspect of a prickly 4 with a 5 wing than any jovial attitude.

    I also have my 4w5 mind twin @Southern Kross to testify .

    As for self-doubt & being a half-glass-empty downer, I assure you I am. My mom was scolding me the other day for my negativity. It escalated into an argument where I insisted she just didn't understaaaaaaand. I'm known for sullenness & reservedness in person (sometimes unfairly, IMO), not a happy or optimistic demeanor. It's something I have to keep aware of & try to check because it, well, sabotages me. But I'm too often oblivious, and I get the sense 4w3s have a relatively higher awareness of their social image.
    Liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We know you are a 4w3 and that you are Puerto Rican .

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    Default Enneagram 4w5s -

    I have noticed claim to have communicative issues.

    The INFJ 4w5s atleast .

    Expressing themselves they claim is hard.

    Is this an issue all 4w5s have?

    Or is this atleast an issue INFJ 4w5s have?

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    Default Alice In Wonderland - Cheshire Cat (The 2010 movie version).



    What is his enneagram type?

    I am going to put my bets on his MBTI type being ENTP.

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    No one? Anyone?

    Well this is rather disappointing.

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    Default ESFJ females are not flirty?

    An observation this is.

    Not theory.

    Have noticed ESFJ females to not be flirty.

    Not good at it at least, due to not trying.

    ISFJ females aren't the same. (They sure know how to flirt.)

    Am I the only one who has noticed this?

    or is it something I have observed which is limited to a few ESFJs?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post


    What is his enneagram type?

    I am going to put my bets on his MBTI type being ENTP.
    Clearly some kind of assertive type, 3, 7, or 8. Type 8 doesn't match him very well.... which coincidentally leads to my question:

    How can you tell the difference between 3s and 7s?

    I've read that 7s are generally bubbly and scattered, 3s are cool and level headed and adaptable (that's a strong point apparently), many of their traits are the same, but with different motivations. I think that makes you more of a 7, Riva.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    An observation this is.

    Not theory.

    Have noticed ESFJ females to not be flirty.

    Not good at it at least, due to not trying.

    ISFJ females aren't the same. (They sure know how to flirt.)

    Am I the only one who has noticed this?

    or is it something I have observed which is limited to a few ESFJs?

    Oh this is not entirely true.

    I remember an ESFJ girl who is a major good flirt .

    1 year elder to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asterion View Post
    Clearly some kind of assertive type, 3, 7, or 8. Type 8 doesn't match him very well.... which coincidentally leads to my question:

    How can you tell the difference between 3s and 7s?

    I've read that 7s are generally bubbly and scattered, 3s are cool and level headed and adaptable (that's a strong point apparently), many of their traits are the same, but with different motivations. I think that makes you more of a 7, Riva.
    Finally someone replies .

    Scattered I am.
    Level headed and adaptable I am too.

    Hmmm...
    Which is more I? Scattered and bubbly or level headed and adaptable.
    Being an extrovert gives me the advantage of being adaptable.
    But I believe I am an E 7. 7w6 that is.

    This cat is hard to type.
    Certainly not an E 8 I believe.

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    Default Ever seen an Argumentative ESFP?

    I have.

    Quite a lot of them actually.

    Never have read in any of the descriptions that ESFPs like to engage in lengthy discussions/arguments.

    But I have seen quite a lot of them.

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    If any one of you ever come across this post could you be kind enough to change the title of the thread to -

    'Riva's random MBTI and Eneagram questions and observations thread.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We know you are a 4w3 and that you are Puerto Rican .
    Well, you're closer than most on the ethnicity.... I am part Spanish .
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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