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    did you have to make Sp/Sx look so evil though? oh well, can't say I blame you
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    Loved the vids, @Thunderbringer! Nice work as always.

    I do have a few issues with them, if you wouldn't mind...

    * You mentioned that Sp-doms can use social connections stealthily to achieve their goals; I think So-doms, when unhealthy, can do it as well, especially if they are in an influential position.

    * I think "selfish" is kind of a touchy word here, since So- and Sx-doms can also be selfish - just like Fe users can be very selfish in stealthy, manipulative ways. I agree that Sp-doms tend to be more "contained", though. Amélie Poulain from Amélie is a good example of a Sp/Sx that actually focuses too much on others and too little on herself...

    * The emphasis on material goods and health for Sp-doms can be a bit misleading. Some Sp-dom 5s, for instance, choose to hoard their time rather than their possessions, becoming solitary travellers who only carry a few important things.

    * Sp-doms can also worry about the safety of others quite a lot. Their fixation is not purely ego-centred, I imagine.

    * Grammar nazi moment: in the Sp video, towards the end, it says "can are extremely brutal".

    Other than that, me likey!
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    Just watched the SP-dom ones. Very interesting. Even though I only know the ff7-ff9 characters lol.
    I like Cid Highwind. Sp/sx sounds pretty accurate.
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    This is awesome, taught me heaps about the side of enneagram I've neglected lol. Sx/so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post

    did you have to make Sp/Sx look so evil though? oh well, can't say I blame you
    lol I didn't even notice how bad that description sounded!

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Loved the vids, @Thunderbringer! Nice work as always.
    Thanks!

    I do have a few issues with them, if you wouldn't mind...

    * You mentioned that Sp-doms can use social connections stealthily to achieve their goals; I think So-doms, when unhealthy, can do it as well, especially if they are in an influential position.
    I agree with that, but sp/sos use their connections to serve their own personal needs, whereas a so-dom would use their connections to affect others in a way they think is best for them.

    * I think "selfish" is kind of a touchy word here, since So- and Sx-doms can also be selfish - just like Fe users can be very selfish in stealthy, manipulative ways. I agree that Sp-doms tend to be more "contained", though. Amélie Poulain from Amélie is a good example of a Sp/Sx that actually focuses too much on others and too little on herself...
    I was going with general descriptions when describing them and I wanted to differentiate each type's unhealthy state from each other so I just chose the ones I notice the most from each type.

    * The emphasis on material goods and health for Sp-doms can be a bit misleading. Some Sp-dom 5s, for instance, choose to hoard their time rather than their possessions, becoming solitary travellers who only carry a few important things.
    Again, this was more of a general descriptions type of thing. I wanted to encompass what was common in each instinctual variant instead of going into details, such as the entitlement issues from 2's, the dauntless and imaginative 4's, etc.

    * Sp-doms can also worry about the safety of others quite a lot. Their fixation is not purely ego-centred, I imagine.
    Yeah, of course. Sp-doms do have a social or sexual secondary instinct, which affects how they relate to others. The first part of each video basically just describes each type in the most simplest terms.

    * Grammar nazi moment: in the Sp video, towards the end, it says "can are extremely brutal".
    I know! D: I noticed it after I uploaded it, but I can't edit the text in the videos.

    Other than that, me likey!
    Thanks again!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Just watched the SP-dom ones. Very interesting. Even though I only know the ff7-ff9 characters lol.
    I like Cid Highwind. Sp/sx sounds pretty accurate.
    He's pretty much the epitome of an 8w7 sp/sx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    This is awesome, taught me heaps about the side of enneagram I've neglected lol. Sx/so
    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    I agree with that, but sp/sos use their connections to serve their own personal needs, whereas a so-dom would use their connections to affect others in a way they think is best for them.
    Hmmm, I could see them projecting a lot...

    However, if their status within a group is important to them (whether due to power, prestige, misguided duty or whatnot), resorting to nasty tactics to maintain it could fall under "serve their own personal needs", no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    I was going with general descriptions when describing them and I wanted to differentiate each type's unhealthy state from each other so I just chose the ones I notice the most from each type.
    Okay, though I still think "selfish" is a tricky word here...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    Again, this was more of a general descriptions type of thing. I wanted to encompass what was common in each instinctual variant instead of going into details, such as the entitlement issues from 2's, the dauntless and imaginative 4's, etc.
    Which is why, I believe, a more general word, like "resources", would be preferable...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    Yeah, of course. Sp-doms do have a social or sexual secondary instinct, which affects how they relate to others. The first part of each video basically just describes each type in the most simplest terms.
    It does sound a bit, though, like Elfboy said, that Sx-auxes don't care about others... It's more of an area of focus, I think. /not an expert on instincts

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    I know! D: I noticed it after I uploaded it, but I can't edit the text in the videos.
    S'okay, I just felt compelled to point it out...

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    Thanks again!
    Anytime!
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    By the way, wouldja mind telling me which tracks you used in these videos, @Thunderbringer?
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    Instinctual variant is supposed to be the most obvious and important thing as far as motivations go and I still have no clue. None of them jump out at me, screaming, "Ah! Totally me!"

    I guess social is probably least, but I blow at the making money thing. Maybe its the frustrated idealist talking, but I have a hard time settling for anything but the perfect job. Does that mean I'm sp first?

    1. My romantic and closest friends are very important to me but I guard my time alone with a passion. I get overwhelmed by others very easily, unless...

    2. I feel a strong connection to them, an energy from them, then I come on really strong. But I can't imagine wanting to be around that person all the time. Still, I find attraction very stimulating and exciting. Being abandoned or ignored by that person makes me go completely crazy. But once our relationship is secure, I'm pretty chill and perfectly happy to communicate/be together more sporadically. But I really like/feel the need for intimate relationships.

    3. I can't help but think how my actions affect others, the planet. I'm not exactly out there saving the world (not at all, actually) but I buy humane eggs, eat organic, recycle, etc for both my health and everyone else's, sign amnesty international petitions, etc. I try to live by the adage treat others as I would like to be treated. Living in a cage sounds like the worst possible nightmare to me, so I can't imagine it's pleasant for a chicken either, for example. I like the idea of everyone respecting every living thing's autonomy and individual self-worth. (i guess that sounds sp-ish, doesn't it?)

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