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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    Bill Gates 5 to an 8?
    If he's actually an ENTJ, he probably had more 8 in him to start with. What happened when he matured is that he left the more aggressive marketing/dominance of his company and settled back into a supervisory role so he could enjoy his marriage and start giving money and time to charity.

    I didn't ever get the impression Bill Gates had to somehow work really hard in order to market his company. In fact, he wasn't a sit-back and observe Five-type thinker; while he could do code/tech stuff, his approach to Microsoft was to see opportunity, cobble together smaller programs and work by other people, then aggressively market the resulting product suite. I would have said he was more of a 7 or 8 to begin with.

    I actually have experienced a large shift from a 5 pattern toward 8. When I was 20, I was very detached, observant, non-engaging, excluded emotion, and never chose to act (mostly because I wasn't ever really driven to make a decision). What happened in the second part of my life is that I finally realized the need to engage life rather than remaining passive and powerless, and use the things I had observed and pieced together in order to interact with others. I used to always back down or be diplomatic, but nowadays I find myself sometimes digging in and going face to face with someone, if I believe it is necessary. It's 8 influencing 5, since at core I still favor an "analyze from a distance" approach and the clarity informs my actions, but regardless of any anxiety I feel over conflict, I still often find myself standing up to something rather than just avoiding it as I used to. That seems to be what Riso describes as 5 moving toward 8 ... no longer remaining an observer, but a participant who can use one's knowledge to accomplish things that one believes to be important.
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    Any fours to 1? I like to think any four who manages to create and complete their creative endeavors with any regularity is probably there. Seems so far beyond my state of being, I bow to them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Any fours to 1? I like to think any four who manages to create and complete their creative endeavors with any regularity is probably there. Seems so far beyond my state of being, I bow to them...
    Maria Callas 4w3 Sx/Sp at certain points in her life is a great example of a 4 with plenty of 1 integration (at other points she does a 180 and goes completely stress 2)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I haven't watched the movie yet, but I once read an Enneagram profile describing Jimmy Stewart's character in It's A Wonderful Life as a 9 integrated towards 3...
    to me he seemed more like a 3w2 disintegrated to 9 who moved back up to 3, but I haven't seen the movie in awhile
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    ^a true 9 is usually a bum and sometimes an achiever.

    3's are sometimes bums and usually achievers.

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    On the subject of [9->3], how about Walt Disney?
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    On the subject of [9->3], how about Walt Disney?
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    Johnny Depp seems a very healthy 4 to me.
    Steve Jobs was a very healthy 7 too.

    My father is a very healthy 1. But I don't believe too much in the integration lines. He haves a lot of 4 in him. And 7 too.


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    Type 1 integrated in 7: Jerry Seinfeld

    [youtube=HzwlxqkAPmA]Seinfeld Interview - Enough Rope with Andrew Denton part 1[/youtube]

    Type 3 integrated in 6: Rocky Balboa

    [youtube=bN-SShi58cI]Rocky 4 - Trailer [/youtube]

    Type 6 integrated in 9: Mike Tyson

    [youtube=IkVQqkQeDcc]Larry King Live - Mike Tyson 2010 pt. 1/3[/youtube]

    Type 7 integrated to 5: Jim Morrrison

    [youtube=dAssS1VbEZE]JIM MORRISON ★ interview 1969[/youtube]

    Type 8 integrated in 2: Barry White

    [youtube=TwnnyXSt908]A RARE BARRY WHITE INTERVIEW[/youtube]

    Also Han Solo at the end of the Battle of Yavin:

    [youtube=bXIqfHI0hQY]Star Wars - The Battle Of Yavin[/youtube]
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    how are mike tyson and jim morrison considered healthy and integrated?

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